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I suspect my husband of incest with my daughter.Help!!!

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Hello. . My husband  is muslim. I am not of the Islamic faith but have great respect for it and its people. My husband has been very,in my mind, innapropriate in front of our 2 yr old daughter. He told me in ++++ it is common for a uncle to bathe with his niece or nefew. He also says that fathers are naked around their daughters so I thought this was a cultural thing and didn't say anything. But he plays with his private parts in front of our daughter and pulls it out and asks if I want to do sexual things with it. Now my daughter screams when I leave her alone with him and she is acting badly regressing to younger behavior and rubs up against me in a sexual manner. She also refuses to ever let me clean her down there especially after they have been alone for a day. This is just a small part of everything.

I spoke to her doctor who is also from ++++ and he says that ++++ men are not this open in front of their children. And refered me to the police and child protective services. I please need help. Could someone please tell me if ++++ parents have sexual relations in front of toddlers? Is it common for a father to play with himself in front of a 2 year old girl? He just pulls "it" out and she is standing right there. He also does naked thrusting with his hips so "it" dances around while she is watching. I hate to consider that he is not being a good father but it seems very bad to me. Please help me to know if this is usual for a muslim man. That you so much for your time and understanding.

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  1. As salamu alaykum sister,

    Please go to the police, the doctor has given you his opinion, have a medical document, and go to the police and to the social services, this is very delicate situation, you are already conscious of it, I wouldn´t sleep if this would be happening to me, I wouldn´t find rest in this earth, watching this man behaviour and I would take my daughter with me day and night, please take action on this, don´t cope with this kind of behaviour.

    Do it in silence, I don´t know the best way of moving, tell her doctor how to move, what to do, if you should go first to the police, you want everything well done to keep your daughter custody and keep this man far away from her and from you. He is a terrible threaten for your daughter, please save your daughter from this man.

    Even using the word man for him is hurting me, not even an animal do that to their little ones.

    Please sister, don´t get nervous, but take action, insha´Allah. Don´t tell him what you are going to do. Don´t lose your daughter from your sight. Keep your head cold and move quietly.

    All my Unconditional Love, Respect and Support,

    María
    IslamicAnswers.com Editor

  2. Related to what is normal. There is no part in this world where the rights of the children shouldn´t be respected, and what this man is doing to your daughter is punishable all over the world, then doesn´t matter where he is from he is commiting a fault that is punishable with jail, and whoever does it should be punished. You know it, you are conscious, don´t do this to your daughter and to yourself, please.

    María
    IslamicAnswers.com Editor

  3. Im sorry... But he is worst than an Animal!!!

  4. Assalamu alaykum,

    As far as my personal opinion goes, did you witness any absurd behavior in him before marriage? And after marriage?

    Also, in the past 2 years since how long has he been acting like this? Recently or since the begining?

    Whatever may be the case, I strongly suggest that you have a word with him. A serious word and see what happens.

    If you already had a word and it did not work out, then you may do whatever you think is good for the kid.

    Do not let this go on, growing up, it may remain forever in her mind and may affect her pyschology life long and it would not be something nice to remember as well.

    Before taking any hard step I always suggest One Final Dialogue, if it does not work out, do not hesitate to take any step which is to protect your and your child's right to undisturbed existence.

    Salaam.

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    Therefore give good tidings (O Muhammad) to my bondmen, who hear advice and follow the best thereof. Such are those whom Allah guideth, and such are men of understanding. - Surah 39, Az Zumar, verse 17-18.

  5. This man is a pervert. How can he do thay?

  6. Go to the cops now. Your child has been n danger

  7. Assalamu'alaikum,

    Since I am not familiar with all cultures and you have not told us what part of the world you are from, I am unable to speak about what some people feel is appropriate in front of their daughter's. However, I have never heard of any culture where a man would feel free to parade around in front of his daughter nude. And now where have I ever heard of a culture where a man would pull his privates out in front of his daughter and feel comfortable with it..

    What I can tell you is that there is no where in the Quran and Sunnah that permits a man do such an act. It is haram. Whether your husband is a Muslim or not, he has committed some very serious despicable acts in front of your daughter.

    I would suggest you do as the doctor has told you. It appears that you have already expressed your anger to your husband concerning his behavior in front of your daughter and that has not stopped him. The first thing you should do is get out of the house. Once you have done that then have your daughter checked by the doctor to see if there are any signs of sexual abuse. Then you must go to the police and tell them what your husband is doing. If you choose to do nothing about the situation and your daughter is being sexually abused, then you are just as guilty as your husband because you knew what was going on and you did nothing to prevent it from happening again.

    I am telling you this from experience. My wife and I raised a brother and sister for five years because both parents were in jail. One of the three children were being abused by the father. The mother knew what was going on but did nothing to prevent it from happening. When social services found out they quickly removed all of the children from the home. The child who was abused went to another family member to live and the other two went into foster care for year and a half before my wife and I were able to get them out and bring them into our home.

    Sister, what your husband is doing is a crime and he should be punished. If you do nothing to protect your daughter then you are guilty too. Do the right thing and get your daughter out of that house before something more serious happens to her.

    Please sister, follow the advice of your doctor and the people here at IslamicAnswers,com. If you have family near by tell them what is happening and then form a plan of action to get to a safe place.

    Insha'Allah the information you have received here will help you.I wish you all the best.

    Your Brother in Islam

    Abdul Wali
    Islamicanswers.com Editor

  8. Salaam dear sister.

    I agree with the above advice - your daughter is in danger so reporting him to the police is paramoubnt. This behaviour is NOT normal, so do not believe it is a cultural or islamic thing. Far from it. In answer to your questions, sexual relations between a husband and a wife must remain private. And it is not normal for a father to play with himself in front of daughter - its sick, in any culture or religion.

    My dear sister, please do not ignore your instincts, this behaviour is not normal, and is obviously affected your poor daughter, and will continue to do so the longer she is exposed to it. If you have a safe place to go get your daughter away from him and call the police. Otherwise just call them. Please trust your instincts and call the cops.

    Sara
    IslamicAnswers.com Editor
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  9. Your husband is a very useless man. (sorry for that). . . . How can you ever imaging a real muslim acting as such in the presence of his daughter. . . . . . Anyway may be he might be thinking that she is a little kid without any sense of understanding of what is going on when he is making fun with you as his wife, but that is very stupid of him. . . . . . . . . I wander how you will see the beauty and the authenticity of islam (considering the way your husband is misrepresenting the religion for you).. . . Pls sister,, what i will advice you is to give him a serious warning, never to ever do that again.... And if this doesn't work dont hesitate to protect the life of your daughter by reporting to higher authority. . . . Pls sister dont judge islam by the way your husband is behaving... .... Ask him to give you a copy of the quran which comes with english translation (particulally the one translated by abdullah yusuf ali, or by king fahad printing press).... Go through it carefully and be a judge for your self. . . . You owe this task to your self sister. . . . .. . . . Mohd

  10. Thank you all for your feedback. I immediately went to the police from her drs. An
    d have not let him see her since Monday when everything just fell into place. I didn't think Muslim men would be so open with their sexuality in front of their children but I believed he was a good man. Now I am staying with my mother. Throughout our marriage he was emotional abusive to me but I never saw it until one day he said my mother didn't love me and he had been a good husband to me since he never beat me. We live in America and he has never tried to learn the life here and does not see that I have tried to change my behaviors and dress to be more modest and show respect to him and his religion. Now I am afraid that he will try to kiddnap our daughter. I'm afraid to leave the house alone with her. The police said they were going to talk to him and he has not contacted me since Thursday. Thank you all for helping me. I didn't think a good muslim would do these sorts of things but I thought I was overreacting. Now I worry for his niece and nefew since he has stated that he took showers with them as well. Thank you.

    • Dear 'Dakota1721',

      You have done the right thing by reporting this situation to the police and by removing yourself and your innocent daughter from your husband's house.

      His behaviour was completely immoral, no culture or religion allows sexual behaviour infront of anyone, except one's own spouse. Only a perverse satanic culture will allow anything other than this. I so am sorry that your interaction with Islam has been so disappointing, but I am also glad that you are aware that a good Muslim man would never display such behaviour. Both you and your daughter have been badly hurt by this man - I hope and pray that you get the help and support from the authorities and from your community and families.

      You have taken the first step towards helping yourself and your daughter. If any other children have been affected by this, then remember your positive actions now are for them too and also for any other children that could potentially have been endangered by this man in the future.

      Do keep writing here and we will do our best to support you.

      SisterZ
      IslamicAnswers.com Editor

  11. AssAlaamu'alikum Sister,

    This behavior of your husband is far from being Islamic Behavior, Islam is so strict in such matters that it prescribes punishments for such a despicable behavior, Its not even allowed for a father to kiss his daughter on her lips let alone do all these filthy acts.

    It is reported from several Scholars that the punishment of incest is the severest punishment possible
    because it is severing the ties of kinship, and an act of aggression against those with whom we are enjoined to uphold ties of kinship
    . Hence some of the scholars are of the view that the one who commits zina with a mahram should be executed in all cases, whether he was married or unmarried. This was narrated from Ahmad (may Allaah have mercy on him). The majority are of the view that he should be subjected to the hadd punishment; so if he was married he should be stoned and if he was not married he should be given one hundred lashes, even though his sin is greater.

    Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said concerning intercourse with one’s mother, daughter or sister: There is a totally natural repulsion towards that, and the hadd punishment for that is one of the most severe of punishments according to one of the two opinions, which is execution in all cases, whether he was married or not. This is one of the two views narrated from Imam Ahmad, and it is also the view of Ishaaq ibn Raahawayh and a number of the scholars of hadeeth. Abu Dawood narrated that al-Bara’ ibn ‘Aazib said: I met my paternal uncle and he was carrying the banner. I said to him: Where are you going? He said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) has sent me to a man who married his father’s wife after he died, to strike his neck and confiscate his wealth. [Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Irwa’ al-Ghaleel (2351).]

    HAVING SAID THAT

    The one who has done any such thing should hasten to repent to Allaah, may He be exalted. Repentance may be valid for any sin, no matter how great. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “Know they not that Allaah accepts repentance from His slaves and takes the Sadaqaat (alms, charity), and that Allaah Alone is the One Who forgives and accepts repentance, Most Merciful?”

    [al-Tawbah 9:104]

    “And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

    69. The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace;

    70. Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allaah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful

    71. And whosoever repents and does righteous good deeds; then verily, he repents towards Allaah with true repentance”

    [al-Furqaan 25:68-70]

    “And verily, I am indeed forgiving to him who repents, believes (in My Oneness, and associates none in worship with Me) and does righteous good deeds, and then remains constant in doing them (till his death)”

    [Ta-Ha 20:82]

    These verses indicate that the one who repents must do a lot of good deeds and follow the path of guidance, and keep away from the causes of temptation.

    And Allaah knows best.

  12. Assalamu alaykum Brother Takbir.

    I read again and again responses, where people write adulterer should be killed, Islam prescribes stoning to death, etc.

    Brother Wael mentioned in one of the poststo someone that stoning is nowhere mentioned in the Qur'an. I also hold the same view and also did take up some good amount of study and opinions of different schools and exegists in to consideration.

    I did not find any punishment for adultery as - Stoning to death in the whole Qur'an and I am really curious to know why it is so?

    Is there any scholar who can prove from the Qur'an that this is prescribed by Allah?

    Infact the Qur'an is in favor of punishment which can be witnessed by all Muslims to learn a lesson and also allow those who commit illegal sexual intercourse to repent and turn to Allah once again.

    If you read carefully the verse of Surah 25, Al Furqaan which you qouted above verse 68, 69 speak of punishment and verse 70, speaks of repentance.

    If the punishment for illegal sexual intercourse is death, how can a dead person "repent" and further believe and do righteous deeds?

    Think about it for yourself. Allah lays great stress upon doing tafakkur on the Qur'an, great amount of pondering upon its verses.

    Secondly, Allah says in Surah 4, An Nisaa:

    25. And whoso is not able to afford to marry free, believing women, let them marry from the believing maids whom your right hands possess. Allah knoweth best (concerning) your faith. Ye (proceed) one from another; so wed them by permission of their folk, and give unto them their portions in kindness, they being honest, not debauched nor of loose conduct. And if when they are honourably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed) for free women (in that case). This is for him among you who feareth to commit sin. But to have patience would be better for you. Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

    If you read the verse carefully, you will know it speaks of slaves who are married and then they commit adultery, their punishment is half the punishment for free women. These are married slaves and free women points to the married women who are not slaves.

    So if the punishment for married women is stoning them to death, what is half the punishment of stoning to death?

    And if you read the following verses, they are full of wisdom (hikmah) and beautiful preaching:

    26. Allah would explain to you and guide you by the examples of those who were before you, and would turn to you in mercy. Allah is Knower, Wise.
    27. And Allah would turn to you in mercy; but those who follow vain desires would have you go tremendously astray.
    28. Allah would make the burden light for you, for man was created weak.

    In what beautiful line does Allah say of man's desires and the weakness of his soul in front of temptations. Allah says He would make the burden light for us, for man was created weak.

    TWO TIMES IN TWO CONSECUTIVE VERSES - ALLAH WOULD TURN TO YOU IN MERCY.

    Are we weak as if we cannot stand up or carry load or run or walk without support? No. This weakness is the weakness of the human soul in front of desires. So if you read the verses 26-28 you will find there in that Allah clearly mentions that He would turn in to mercy towards us, but those who follow " vain desires" (and not what Allah has revealed) would have us go astray.

    As per Surah 24. An-Nur
    1. (Here is) a Surah which We have revealed and enjoined, and wherein We have revealed plain revelations, that haply ye may take heed.
    2. The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment.
    3. The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer
    or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers.

    MOST IMPORTANT NOTES:

    Verse 1.
    In verse 1 of the Surah, Allah says in absolutely plain and clear terms without any shred of doubt or ambguity, " A Surah which we have revealed + "ENJOINED" it is stressed upon like no other Surah, further Allah says, we have revealed plain revelations, that ye haply ye may take heed ( and not turn away from these revelations). Allah stresses so much on the unambiguity, clear cut commandments of the Surah which need no further deduction, addition or change or interpretation. Allah says so, I do not say.

    Verse 2. Clearly, in extremely clear terms Allah mentions " adulterer and adulteress" and does not say "married adulterer or married adulteress". Zina means consensual sex without having a marriage. So it applies to both, a person who does without marriage, or two married people who do outside their marriage, in both cases they are not married to each otherand its constitutes of Zina. Unlike the popluar belief that married persons commiting adultery should be stoned to death and unmarried to 100 stripes, tell me where do you find in the ayat or whole Qur'an difference between married adulterer and unmarried adulterer? Ask yourself. Find me one such ayat. An adulterer is an adulterer, whether he be married or unmarried.

    When Allah clearly mentions before the legislation of Zina begins - We have revealed, " enjoined" - made it fard upon believers and have revealed it in clear terms. Are the terms of Allah not clear enough? Who among us will pay heed to Allah's revelations?

    And then the believers are told clearly not to have pity, punishment has to be carried out and to be witnessed by a party of believers.

    Verse 3.
    Then is the commandment for believers, that an adulterer or an adulteress should marry (also cohabit)either one among them or an idolator. It is clear, they are not lawful for believers to marry or to live with. It signifies that they are both partners in crime and believers should have nothing to do with them. And so they are lawful for each other only and not believers.

    If punishment is death and they are stoned, where is the question of their being lawful or unlawful for believers?

    But yes, if a woman repents, turns to Allah and turns to Islam after her adultery and becomes a pious Muslima, would she still be left to be married to an idolator or an adulterer because she did something like that in the past and since then repented to Allah? Is she still to be married to them? Answer me.

    The Prophet (Salallahu alayhi wasallam) was sent as a mercy unto the peoples. How then would he give a ruling of his own to stone them to death? How could he ever form his own laws, when he would not to the slightest deviate from the Qur'an. Can anyone answer me?

    Just by a mere thing as honey, as in Surah Tahriim, Allah reveals why would you ban something which Allah has made lawful for you. This verse is an ample and clear evidence of the fact that Allah did not approve of slightest deflection from His way.

    Think of yourself brothers and sisters.

    This is my personal opinion based on my study of the Qur'an and the Sunnah literature. I may be wrong, and I am ready to correct myself if I am wrong if someone gives me a solid proof that the verse of 100 stripes is only for singles and not married adulteres. If someone does to me this favor, I would be grateful to them.

    Moreover, my idea and thinking were further strengthened by reading the translation, Message of the Qur'an by Muhammad Asad:

    As for the adulteress and the adulterer [The term zina signifies voluntary sexual intercourse between a man and a woman not married to one another, irrespective of whether one or both of them are married to other persons or not: hence, it does not - in contrast with the usage prevalent in most Western languages - differentiate between the concepts of "adultery" (i.e., sexual intercourse of married man with a woman other than his wife, or of a married woman with a man other than her husband) and "fornication" (i.e., sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons). For the sake of simplicity I am rendering zina throughout as "adultery", and the person guilty of it as "adulterer" or "adulteress", respectively.] - flog each of them with a hundred stripes, and let not compassion with them keep you from [carrying out] this law of God, if you [truly] believe in God and the Last Day; and let a group of the believers witness their chastisement. [The number of those to be present has been deliberately left unspecified, thus indicating that while the punishment must be given publicity, it need not be made a "public spectacle".]

    I repeat again, I am ready to change my opinion if any scholar is able to prove that verse 2, of surah Nuur, speaks of unmarried adulterers and not married adulterers and not just "adulterers" who could be both.

    But so far I have not found any conclusive answer in this regards from any scholar.

    Salaam.

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    • Wa 'Alikumasalaam Wa rahmatuAllaahi Wa Barakatuh Ya Akhi Munibb,

      I firstly admire your thirst and eagerness to learn the deen of Allaah and more so your humble acceptance of the truth if proven by Quran and Sunnah,and InshaaAllaah I will prove the legitimacy of Rajm or Hadd Punishment in the light of Quran and Sunnah and I pray to my lord that he opens your heart to the truth and makes you sincere in what you aim to learn from the deen of Allaah. May Allaah have mercy on you and us all, Ameen

      1) I agree with you that stoning is not mentioned in the Quran DIRECTLY and so does How much Zakaah is obligatory, how many prayers and their timings, so is the Punishment for Homosexuality and nor is the punishment for rapist is mentioned in the Quran, Does this imply that we ignore them completely, henceforth we turn towards the Sunnah of the prophet to get the answers and clarifications when the Quran has left room for judgment. Because Sunnah of the prophet holds the exact same legislative rulings as that of Quran, so if our prophet commanded us that certain thing is Haraam it is as though Allaah has commanded it to be haraam, the proof for this is Allaahs words

      (a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

      (b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63]

      (c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65]

      (d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24]

      (e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59]

      and your another criticism that if the stoning is implemented then the person wont get a chance to repent to Allaah, the simple answer to this is that Allaah out of his immense mercy made the very act of STONING the KAFARAH or the redemption for the sin, so a person who is killed via stoning need not ask for forgiveness as Allaah has already forgiven him through the pain and trials of stoning.

      HAVING SAID ALL OF THIS

      my personal take on this and of many scholars is that repentance and asking forgiveness for such a crime in secret is better IF such a sin is concealed by Allaah , but is the issue is known to public and is proven by the means of 4 witnesses and the judge has been informed of it then in such a scenario the hadd punishment should be carried out.

      2 – The married adulterer. The punishment in this case is to be stoned to death.

      Al-muhsan or the married person here means one who got married and had intercourse with his wife in the vagina, in a legitimate marriage in which both parties are free, of sound mind and adults. If a married man or woman commits adultery, then they are to be stoned to death, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Learn from me. Allaah has given them a way out. If an unmarried person commits fornication with an unmarried person, (the punishment is) one hundred lashes and exile for one year. If a married person commits adultery with a married person, (the punishment is) one hundred lashes and stoning.” (Narrated by Muslim, 1690).

      And al-Bukhaari (2725) and Muslim (1698) narrated from Abu Hurayrah and Zayd ibn Khaalid al-Juhani (may Allaah be pleased with them) that they said: “Two men from among the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said, ‘O Messenger of Allaah, I adjure you by Allaah to judge me according to the Book of Allaah.’ The other disputant – who was smarter – said: ‘Yes, judge between us according to the Book of Allaah and give me permission to speak first.’

      The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, ‘Speak.’

      He said, ‘My son was employed by this man, and he committed adultery with his wife. I was told that the punishment for my son would be stoning, but that he could be ransomed for one hundred sheep and their offspring. I asked the people of knowledge and they told me that the punishment for my son would be one hundred lashes and exile for one year, and that this woman would be stoned.’

      The Messenger of Allaah (S) said: ‘By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I will judge between you according to the Book of Allaah. The offspring and sheep will be returned (i.e., there is no ransom), and your son is to be given one hundred lashes and exiled for one year. O Unays [who was one of the Sahaabah], go tomorrow to that woman and if she admits (this crime) then stone her.’ So he went to her the next day and she admitted it, and the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) issued orders that she be stoned.

      It is essential to stone the married adulterer until he dies, following the Sunnah of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), as it is proven that he said that, did it and enjoined it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stoned Maa’iz, the Juhani woman, the Ghaamidi woman, and the two Jews. All of that is proven in saheeh ahaadeeth narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The scholars among the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them), the Taabi’een and those who came after them are also unanimously agreed on that. No one differed from them apart from those to whose views no attention is to be paid. Al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated in their Saheehs from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth and revealed to him the Book, and one of the things that Allaah revealed was the verse of stoning. We have read it and understood it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stoned (adulterers) and we stoned (them) after him, but I fear that there may come a time when some people say: ‘By Allaah, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of Allaah.’ So they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that Allaah has revealed. According to the Book of Allaah, stoning is deserved by the one who commits zina, if he is married, men and women alike, if proof is established or the woman becomes pregnant or they confess…”

      Based on this, it is not permissible to replace stoning with killing by the sword or shooting, because stoning is a more severe punishment and a more effective deterrent to the sin of zina, which is the most grave sin after shirk and killing a soul whom Allaah has forbidden us to kill. The hadd punishment of stoning for a married person who commits zina is one of the matters that is determined by the Qur’aan and Sunnah and there is no room for ijtihaad or personal opinion. If killing by the sword or shooting were permissible in the case of the married adulterer then the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would have done that and would have explained it to his ummah, and his companions after him would have done that too.


      Refutation to those who deny the Rajm Punishment.

      There are some modernist Muslims that argue that stoning adulterers isn't part of Islam, even though authentic Hadiths, the consensus of scholars, muhaddiths & mushtahids affirm this. In other words, they reject these Hadiths relating to stoning as inauthentic. This reminds us of a following saying of the Prophet:

      "Narrated Al Miqdaam: The Messenger of Allah peace be upon him said: I have been given the Quran and that which is similar to it. Yet, there will come a time when a man will be leaning on his couch saying: 'Follow only the Quran: what it says is halal, we take as halal, and what it says is haram, we take as haram.' But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allah forbids is like what Allah forbids." (Sahih Jami - Declared Sahih By Sheikh Albani - Source & here & Declared Sahih By Imam Ad-Dhababi - Source & Sahih Hasan By Ibn Hajar - Source. Also In Sunan Abu Dawud, #4604 [slightly different wording] - Declared Sahih By Abu Dawud - Source).

      This Hadith is also in Ibn Maajah, declared as sahih by Shiekh Albani (Source), and another one in Tirmidhi declared as sahih by the same scholar, (Source) and in Abu Dawud graded as sahih by the same scholar (Source), all will slightly different wordings. So, the Holy Prophet even predicted people would abandon hadiths, and we find modernists Muslims doing exactly that. Let us analyse the claims given by such people, and see if it proves stoning isn't part of Islam:

      Allegation 1 - Halving The Punishment Of Adultery:

      We read the following verse:

      Surah Nisa 4:25:
      "If any of you have not the means wherewith to wed free believing women, they may wed believing girls from among those whom your right hands possess: And Allah hath full knowledge about your faith. Ye are one from another: Wed them with the leave of their owners, and give them their dowers, according to what is reasonable: They should be chaste, not lustful, nor taking paramours: when they are taken in wedlock, if they fall into shame, their punishment is half that for free women. This (permission) is for those among you who fear sin; but it is better for you that ye practise self-restraint. And Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

      So, they claim that the verse says half the punishment of a free woman adulterer would be given to 'whom your right hands possess' (captives or slaves). They then claim that if stoning to death is the punishment for adultery in Islam, how can you half the death penalty? Therefore, they conclude by claiming that Surah Nur 24:2 offers 100 lashes for adulterer, so 50 lashes for captives/slaves should be given, indicating stoning the adulterer is not part of Islam.

      Firstly, the verse does not give half the punishment of a free woman adulterer. The word "adulterer" isn't there in the Arabic text. The Arabic word used here is "bifahishatin" (بفاحشة) (*) which doesn't specifically mean adultery, it means:

      Sakhr Dictionary - 2006/2007:
      "obscene, ribald, dirty, foul, filthy, vulgar, indecent, bawdy, shameless, lewd."

      Babylon Dictionary:
      "lewdness, misconduct, obscenity, porn, pornography."

      Google Dictionary:
      "Immortality."

      So we see it doesn't specifically refer or mean adultery. The meaning of the word can refer to any type of immorality. Since stoning to death cannot be halved, the 4 great scholars agree that this word here must refer to premarital sex when referring to free women, but refers to the slave/captive who commits premarital sex & adultery. In other words, the captive/slave who commits premarital sex & adultery gets half the punishment that the free woman would get, if the free woman had committed premarital sex. This indicates that the punishment for the free woman adulterers would be different than free woman who commit premarital sex.

      Ibn Kathir's Tafsir - Surah Nisa 4:25:
      "(their punishment is half of that for free (unmarried) women.) indicates that the type of punishment prescribed here is the one that can be reduced to half, lashes in this case, not stoning to death, and Allah knows best."

      Maulana Muhammad Taqi Usmani - Ma'ariful Quran - Volume 2 - Page 395:
      "As for the married man and woman committing zina (adultery), the punishment is rajm which is death by stoning. Since this particular punishment cannot be reduced to half, all four Imams agree on the position that the punishment of zina committed by a bondman of bondwoman, married or unmarried, is fifty lashes."

      Maududi's Commentary - Surah Nisa 4:25:
      "This also explains that the punishment for unlawful sexual intercourse (zina) laid down in Surah al-Nur 24: 2 refers to the offence committed by unmarried free women alone, and it is in comparison with their punishment that the punishment of married slave women has been laid down as half."

      Muhsin Khan Footnote - Surah Nisa 4:25:
      "Female or male slaves (married or unmarried); if they commit illegal sexual intercourse, their punishment is fifty (50) lashes (half of that which is for free unmarried women); neither stoning to death nor exile."

      "It goes without saying that this represents the measurable penalty that can be halved, i.e. flogging. It does not apply to the penalty of stoning which cannot be divided. Hence, if a married believing slave commits adultery, she is given half the punishment of an unmarried free woman. If the slave who commits fornication is unmarried, her penalty is subject to different views among scholars. Some are of the opinion that it is the same, i.e. half the penalty of an unmarried free woman, and that the Imam or ruler administers it. Others are of the view that it is a reduced punishment, administered by her master. These views are argued in books of jurisprudence." (Sayyid Qutb - In The Shade Of The Qur'an - The Islamic Foundation - Volume 3 - Page 85).

      Also, Imam Qurtubi's tafsir & Baghawi's tafsir states it is 50 lashes. Moreover, a scholar commentating on Surah Nisa 4:25:

      "It should be borne in mind that almost all the English translators of the Holy Qur'an have translated the word al-Muhsanat as free married women, and on the basis of this translation have jumped to the conclusion that stoning to death is not prescribed in Islam. The Khwarij also hold the same view. They argue that if the prescribed punishment for the married women is stoning to death, then how is it possible to award half the punishment to the married slave-women as it is stated in the above mentioned verse of the Qur'an, that the slave-women are liable to half the punishment. These translators and exponents of the Qur'an fail to realize that the word Muhsanat does not always mean married women. It sometimes implies the free married women and sometimes it stands for the women who are given the protection of a family. Here in the above mentioned verse the word Muhsanat has been used in the second sense." (Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4221 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXXIII - Footnote 2178 - Page 921).

      Additionally, the Arabic "Muhsanat" used in Surah Nisa 4:25 (*) comes from the root "hasana" which means:

      Lane's Lexicon - Volume 2 - Pages 222-223:
      "To be guarded, be inaccessible, be chaste, be strongly fortified, be preserved, be protected."

      This would be referring to the unmarried person, which in context would mean the punishment for the slaves/captives for committing adultery or pre martial sex is half of the unmarried woman. The punishment for the unmarried woman is 100 lashes (Surah Nur 24:2), so half of that would be 50 for captives/slaves. This leaves no question of not being able to half the punishment for married adulterers.

      Allegation 2 - Adulterer's Can't Marry, If The Punishment Is Stoning:

      This allegation stems from the following verse:

      Surah Nur 24:3:
      "Let no man guilty of adultery or fornication marry and but a woman similarly guilty, or an Unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an Unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden."

      So the argument is that if married adulterers are to be stoned to death, how can the Quran then say that adulterers can only marry adulterers/unbelievers? Once your stoned to death, you cannot marry. But if the punishment is 100 lashes for married adulterers, then they can marry fornicators/unbelievers. Therefore, stoning married adulterers isn't part of Islam.

      Firstly, the Arabic words used in the above verse is "zani" and "zaniyatan" (*,*) which means:

      Lanes Lexicon - Volume 3 - Page 426:
      "to mount, the mounting upon a thing, to commit fornication/adultery, fornicator/adulterer."

      Sakhr Dictionary - 2006/2007:
      "adulteress, whore, harlot, prostitute."

      Websters Dictionary:
      "(prostitute, adulteress, strumpet, incestuous), فاجرة (adulteress, harlot, prostitute, whore, unchaste woman), زانِيَة (adulteress, prostitute, strumpet, adulteresses, bitch), فاجِرَة (adulteress, harlot, adulteresses, bitch, bitched), قَحْبَة (harlot, adulteress, adulteresses, bitch, bitched), بِنْتُ الهَوَى (adulteress, adulteresses, bitch, bitched, bitches), مُومِسَة (adulteress, adulteresses, bitch, bitched, bitches), بَغِيّ (harlot, adulteress, adulteresses, bitch, bitched), مُومِس (bitch, harlot, moll, prostitute, strumpet), زانيات (adulteress, adulterous)."

      Alexadria Dictionary:
      "adulteress, fornicatress, hussy, jade, loose woman, slut, strumpet, trollop."

      Babylon Dictionary:
      "adulterer, corespondent, prostitute, strumpet [sl.], hooker [sl.], adulteress."

      WordReference Dictionary:
      "scrubber, hussy, adulteress."

      Dicts Dictionary:
      "prostitute ; cocotte ; whore ; harlot ; bawd ; tart ; cyprian ; fancy woman ; working girl ; sporting lady ; lady of pleasure ; woman of the street."

      Verbace Dictionary:
      "whore, adulteress, prostitute."

      So, this verse doesn't single out the meaning to a particular meaning. In light of the following Hadiths, the above verse when referring to Muslims, refers to unmarried adulterers (a Muslim who commits pre martial sex).

      Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2047:
      "Narrated AbuHurayrah: The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: The adulterer who has been flogged shall not marry save the one like him. AbuMa'mar said: Habib al-Mu'allim narrated (this tradition) to us on the authority of Amr ibn Shu'ayb." (Declared as sahih by Sheikh Albani - Source).

      This Hadith is also in Musnad Ahmad & has been declared by Muhammad Ibn Abdul-Hadi as having a good chain (Source) & by Sheikh Arna'oot - (Source). Moreover, Ibn Kathir declared this as strong supported Hadith (Ibn Kathir - The Guidance Of Al-Fiqh - 2 /149 - Source), and Imam Hajar stated it's trustworthy (Source). So, this hadith indicates that unmarried adulterers are allowed to get married to pious Muslims, so long as they repent to Allah sincerely (Maulana Muhammad Taqi Usmani - Ma'ariful Quran - Volume 6 - Pages 357-358). Unmarried adulterers would be able to marry, as the punishment for this is 100 lashes.

      "Indeed Imam Ahmad is of the view that marriage is forbidden between an adulterer and a chaste woman, or between a chaste man and an adulteress. A prerequisite for such a marriage to be valid is for such offenders to genuinely repent." (Sayyid Qutb - In The Shade Of The Qur'an - The Islamic Foundation - Volume 12 - Page 207).

      "This verse, then, implies that a believer is forbidden to marry an adulteress unless she genuinely repents. The same applies to a female believer and an adulterer. This is the view Imam Ahmad took, but other scholars had a different view." (Ibid - Page 208).

      When we look at this verse with the historical background, this referred to a man who wanted to marry a prostitute:

      Abu Dawud, Book 11, Number 2046:
      "Narrated Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As: Marthad ibn AbuMarthad al-Ghanawi used to take prisoners (of war) from Mecca (to Medina). At Mecca there was a prostitute called Inaq who had illicit relations with him. (Marthad said:) I came to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) and said to him: May I marry Inaq, Apostle of Allah? The narrator said: He kept silence towards me. Then the verse was revealed:"....and the adulteress none shall marry save and adulterer or an idolater." He called me and recited this (verse) to me, and said: Do not marry her." (Declared as sahih hasan by Sheikh Albani - Source).

      A similar Hadith is in Sunan al-Tirmidhi & classed as hasan (Source), and in Musnad Ahmad, but it's chain is weak (Source). However, Shikeh Arna'oot declared this narration is Musnad Ahmad is Hasan (Number 6480, Source). Al-Wahidi mentions the similar story in his tafsir. When looking at the verse in the historical background, this would mean it is not suitable for the chaste men and women to marry those who are committing fornication. This is why the Prophet told him not to marry her. Applying the Islamic law and referring this to Muslims, it obviously it doesn't refer to married adulterers, since such people would get stoned. In light of the Hadiths, this wouldn't refer to Muslim married adulterers, which leaves no question of married adulterers not being able to get married. For further discussion, go here.

      Allegation 3 - Punishment Cannot Be Doubled:

      This allegation by the modernist Muslim is based on:

      Surah Ahzab 33:30:
      "O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for Allah."

      The modernist Muslim argues that if the punishment is stoning to death, how can stoning be doubled? Firstly, the verse doesn't even say adultery. The Arabic word used here is "bifahishatin" (بفاحشة) (*) which doesn't specifically mean adultery, as shown above. Secondly, the punishment here isn't refer to a legal punishment which is to be implemented. It is referring to afterlife punishment.

      Tabari's tafsir - Surah Ahzab 33:30:
      "Punishment would be doubled to her, it means punishment of the Hereafter."

      Ibn Kathir's tafsir - Surah Ahzab 33:30:
      "(the torment for her will be doubled,) "In this world and the next.'' Something similar was narrated from Ibn Abi Najih, from Mujahid."

      Similarly, Imam Qurtubi states the same thing in his tafsir. The modernist Muslim may argue that the above says "in this world" so how can the stoning be doubled? The above seems to imply that double punishment is both stoning in this world and punishment in the next, not doubling in this world then doubling in the hereafter. Even if it did refer to this, doubling the punishment could simply mean punishing in different ways (i.e. a punishment of the grave after stoning). Moreover, on the day of judgment, punishment can be doubled there, so there is no proof that it strictly refers to worldly legal punishment to be implemented. Also, looking at the context prior and after verse 30, the hereafter is mentioned which supports the argument that double punishment would be in the afterlife, if any of the Prophet's wives were guilty of immorality.

      Allegation 4 - Muhammad Judged By The Torah?

      This allegations stems from:

      Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4211:
      "Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that a Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) who had committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to the Jews and said: What do you find in Torah for one who commits adultery? They said: We darken their faces and make them ride on the donkey with their faces turned to the opposite direction (and their backs touching each other), and then they are taken round (the city). He said: Bring Torah if you are truthful. They brought it and recited it until when they came to the verse pertaining to stoning, the person who was reading placed his hand on the verse pertaining to stoning, and read (only that which was) between his hands and what was subsequent to that. Abdullah b. Salim who was at that time with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Command him (the reciter) to lift his hand. He lifted it and there was, underneath that, the verse pertaining to stoning. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) pronounced judgment about both of them and they were stoned. Abdullah b. 'Umar said: I was one of those who stoned them, and I saw him (the Jew) protecting her (the Jewess) with his body."

      This Hadith is also found in Sahih Bukhari. So the modernist Muslim argues as to how could Muhammad judge by the corrupted Torah and not the Quran? Therefore, stoning the adulterer cannot be part of Islam. Firstly, the Prophet stoning the adulterer according to the law of the Torah doesn't mean that he went against the Quran. No-where does the Quran contradict the Torah, regarding the punishment for married adulterers.

      This incident is linked with Surah Maidah 5:41-45, and occurred after 6-7 years after the Hjrah (Refer to Ibn Kathir's tafsir - Surah Maidah 5:43 & Maududi's Surah 5 Intro). Stoning became part of Islam before this.

      "We can say with certainty that all the incidents of stoning or the majority of them occurred after the verse of 100 lashes was revealed. Surah Nur was revealed in response to the accusation which was leveled against Aishah which took place immediately after the Battle of Banu Mustaliq. The scholars have differed with regard to the date in which this battle took place. Some say it was 3 A.H., others say that it was 5 A.H., and yet others hold the view that it took place in 6 A.H. Musa ibn Uqbah - one of the most knowledgeable scholars regarding wars and battles - says that this battle took place in 5 A.H., shortly before the Battle of Ahzab (confederates).

      Hafiz ibn Hajar has also given preference to this view and supported it with many proofs." (Fathul Bari - Vol. 7, Pg. 430 - cited in: Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Page 59 - Source).

      Similarly, the most illustrious scholar of Islamic history: Waqidy stated this view is correct (U'mdatul Qari - Vol. 17, Pg. 200-201 - cited in: Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Page 59 - Source), and so did Allamah A'yni.

      Commenting on when stonings took place, a major scholar writes:

      "The event of 'Aseef, the event of Maiz, the event of Ghamidiyyah and the event of the Jewish couple occurred after the revelation of the verse of Surah-i- Noor which contains the punishment of Ifk hundred stripes. The revelation of this verse took place at the occasion of the event of Ifk which had occurred on the return of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) and his companions from the war of Banu Mustalaq.

      This occasion had taken place at all costs before fifth or sixth Hijra as stated by Ibn-i-Hasham, Tabari, Ibn-i-Taymiyyah, Asqalani, 'Ayni, Qustalani and others. But the events of execution of Rajm took place after seventh, eighth and ninth Hijra because those companions who had witnessed the events and had participated in the stoning, accepted Islam and associated themselves with the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) in the seventh, eighth and ninth Hijra. It was only in their presence and with their participation that the execution of Rajm materialized. These facts can be easily studies through the following references:

      1. Fath-ul-Bari Vol.XII, p.119.
      2.'Umdat-ul-Qari, Vol.XXII, p.291.
      3. Irshad-us-Sari, Vol.X, p.9.
      4. As-Sarim-ul-Maslool, p.51.
      5. Tarikh-ul-Khamees, Vol.II, p.139
      6. Mohammod Shihab Kharasoni, Adwar-i-Fiqh Vol.I, p.323." (Prof. Dr. Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri - Legal Character Of Islamic Punishments - Minhaj-ul-Quran Publications - Pages 22-23).

      "'Allama Badr-ud-Din 'Aini has clearly states that the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) awarded the punishment of stoning after the revelation of Surah Nur. This Surah was revealed in connection with the incident of Ifk and thus its revelation could not be beyond the sixth year of Hijra. There are, no doubt, other statements which tell us that it was revealed earlier than that, say in the fourth or fifth year of Hijra but none claims it to be revealed after the sixth." (Umdat-ul-Qari - Vol XXIII, p 291 - cited in: Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4218 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXXIII - Footnote 2177 - Page 920).

      So, stoning was already part of Islam before this incident occurred. The reason why the Prophet judged by the law of the Torah is:

      Maududi's commentary - Surah Maidah 5:42:
      "Until then the Jews had not become full-fledged subjects of the Islamic state. Their relations with that state were based on agreements according to which the Jews were to enjoy internal autonomy, and their disputes were to be decided by their own judges and in accordance with their own laws."

      Moreover, Allah gave the prophet a choice to judge between them in:

      Surah Maidah 5:42:
      "(They are fond of) listening to falsehood, of devouring anything forbidden. If they do come to thee, either judge between them, or decline to interfere. If thou decline, they cannot hurt thee in the least. If thou judge, judge in equity between them. For Allah loveth those who judge in equity."

      Verse 43 in historical context confirms that stoning was Allah's command in the original Torah. Although parts of original Torah revealed to Moses had been corrupted, this teaching still remained in there (Levitcus 20:10). We read:

      Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4214:
      "Thereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: O Allah, I am the first to revive Thy command when they had made it dead. He then commanded and he (the offender) was stoned to death."

      The context of the full Hadith refers to the same incident. Muhammad here confirms that Allah's command was made dead by the Jews, indicating stoning was part of the original Torah, and is not abrogated as a teaching of Islam. In a Hadith of Abu Dawud, we read:

      Ibn Kathir's tafsir - Surah Maidah 5:43:
      "Abu Dawud recorded that Ibn 'Umar said, "Some Jews came to the Messenger of Allah and invited him to go to the Quff area. So he went to the house of Al-Midras and they said, 'O Abu Al-Qasim! A man from us committed adultery with a woman, so decide on their matter.' They arranged a pillow for the Messenger of Allah and he sat on it and said,

      (Bring the Tawrah to me.) He was brought the Tawrah and he removed the pillow from under him and placed the Tawrah on it, saying,

      (I trust you and He Who revealed it to you.) He then said,

      (Bring me your most knowledgeable person.) So he was brought a young man... '' and then he mentioned the rest of the story that Malik narrated from Nafi."

      There is a dispute amongst the scholars concerning the authenticity of this Hadith. Sheikh Albani considers this hasan (Source), while others consider it weak (see here & here). Assuming this is hasan, it would refer to the stoning verse as being part of the original Torah. Even if it is a weak hadith, this incident of Muhammad judging the Jews by the Torah doesn't in any way contradict the Quran.

      Some may argue that Surah 5:48-49 commands us to judge by what Allah had revealed, yet Muhammad judged by the Torah, in this specific case. However, Muhammad judging the Jews by the Torah here was in actual fact judging by Allah's law, as stoning was part of the original Torah, and Islam confirmed this teaching as not abrogated. See here for more.

      Allegation 5: Contradictory Views:

      The allegation of contradictory views is given by a modernist Muslim:

      "And 'Ali after flogging a woman; who had committed adultery, and then stoning her to death, is reported to have said: 'I have flogged her in obedience to the commandment of the Book of God and have stoned her to death in accordance with the practice of the Holy Prophet' (Bukhari). From these sayings two inferences manifestly emerge: (1) In the matter of punishing an adulterer the practice of the Holy Prophet was at variance with the commandment of God as laid down in the Qur'an, which is impossible. (2) Whereas according to 'Umar there was a commandment in the Book of God about stoning to death of an adulterer, according to 'Ali there was no such commandment, but it was only the practice of the Holy Prophet according to which he ('Ali) stoned to death persons guilty of adultery. These sayings are not only mutually contradictory but demonstrably conflict with the express Divine commandment and therefore must be rejected as pure fabrications or at best distorted versions of what they said." (Source).

      Firstly, Muhammad offering stoning to death as a penalty is not contradictory to the Quran. Surah Nur 24:2 refers to the unmarried adulterers only. Commenting on Surah Nur 24:2, we read:

      "Such stoning is confirmed in the Sunnah, while flogging is established clearly in the Qur'an. Since the Qur'anic statement is phrased in general terms, and the Prophet inflicted stoning on a married man and a married woman who committed adultery, it is clear that the punishment of flogging applies only to adulterers who are unmarried." (Sayyid Qutb - In The Shade Of The Qur'an - The Islamic Foundation - Volume 12 - Page 206).

      "'...the punishment prescribed in the Qur'an relates to unmarried persons and the punishment of stoning is prescribed by the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) for married persons." (Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4218 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXXIII - Footnote 2177 - Page 920).

      "Hafiz ibn Hajar has even recorded a consensus of all reputable scholars on the fact that the verse of 100 lashes refers only to non-muhsans, i.e. fornicators." (Fath Al-Bari - Volume 12 - Page 157 - cited in: Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Page 56 - Source).

      Maulana Muhammad Taqi Usmani - Ma'ariful Quran - Volume 6 - Page 347:
      "The punishment of whipping a hundred times is exclusive to unmarried man and woman."

      The Arabic word used in Surah 24:2 is "zani" (*,*) which as proved above doesn't specifically mean married adulterer. So, point 1 mentioned by the modernist Muslim above is incorrect.

      Secondly, yes, Umar did know there was a verse in Quran of stoning the adulterer (one can check Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4194). However, this doesn't mean that Ali didn't believe this was a command of God. The reconciliation to this is that Allah did reveal the command to stone to death (so Umar is correct), and Ali is correct too when he affirmed that stoning was the practice of the Prophet. So, this is not a contradiction, as both aren't opposing. The recitation of the Quranic verse was abrogated, but the ruling remained and it was part of the Sunnah. So, this is not evidence that these Hadiths are to be rejected. The modernist Muslim must provide reasons according to the sciences of Hadiths and classical scholars that these Hadiths (he cited) can't be trusted. Until then, he has no case.

      Some may claim that the differences in wording of Hadiths are evidence against the reliability of the Hadiths. However, the following refutes this argument:

      "Due to the fact that there were many incidents of stoning and there were many Sahaba who narrated these incidents, there are slight variations found in these ahadith. However, it is not correct to completely reject stoning to death because of these slight variations. These variations are a natural result of one incident or one statement being narrated by many people. This is something which we witness time and again in our daily lives and we accept it without giving it a second thought. For example, if some people witnessed a car accident, then there will be a slight variation in the different accounts of the incident depending on the eyewitness's location and view. However, this variation is only regarding the details of how the accident took place; there is no dispute on the fact that the accident occurred. No one can say that the accident did not take place based on the discrepancy in the different narrations of this incident.

      The variation in narrations is not something which is unique only to the ahadith of stoning to death. Rather, there are also slight variations in the ahadith which establish other tenets of Islam. For example, there are various methods of reciting the adhan (call to prayer) and performing the salah described in the ahadith. All Muslims accept these slight variations in the method of adhan and salah and the followers of the different madhabs (schools of jurisprudence) have based their practice on these various narrations. However, no one says that salah or adhan is not established based on these variations. Similarly, there are absolutely no grounds for rejecting the common subject matter of stoning to death mentioned in the ahadith just because of these slight variations." (Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Pages 66-67 - Source).

      Moreover, the narrators who heard what their predecessors said were not inspired by God, so it is natural that we don't expect them to have remembered everything verbatim.

      Allegation 6: Ali Stoned A Pregnant Lady?

      This allegation is based on:

      "A woman named Shurahah came to 'Ali and confessed that she is pregnant from zina'. 'Ali had her flogged on Thursday and stoned to death on Friday and said: "We flogged in accordance with the Book of God and stoned in accordance with the sunnah of the Messenger of God." (Musnad Ahmad).

      So the modernist Muslims questions as to how and why he would have done this? Therefore, stoning isn't part of Islam. Firstly, even if this story is true, this would in no way disprove stoning to be part of Islam. Some have stated this Hadith is weak (Source). This narration has been declared as da'if (weak) by Sheikh Arna'oot (Number 1209, Source). There are also contradictory variations of this Hadith, which puts it in more doubt. Even if we accept it, another Hadith (Musnaf Abdur Razaaq - cited in Haqeeqat-e-Raj'm - Pages 191-92) informs us that it was after the baby was born when she was stoned. So, this is what could have occurred. Moreover, Muhammad himself waited for another pregnant women gave birth & wean the child before stoning the adulterer (refer to Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4206). Imam Nawawi's stated regarding this Hadith:

      "A pregnant woman should not be stoned until she gives birth, whether her pregnancy is the result of zina or otherwise. This is agreed upon, lest her foetus be killed. The same applies if her hadd punishment is flogging; a pregnant woman should not be flogged, according to the consensus, until she has given birth." (Saheeh Muslim Bu Sharh Al-Nawawi, 11/202 cited in: Muhammad Saed Abdul-Rahman - Islam: Questions and Answers - Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings - Transactions - Part 5 - MSA Publication Limited, 2007 - Page 275).

      "The punishment to a woman is to be awarded when the baby in her lap is weaned." (Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4225 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXXIIV - Footnote 2180 - Page 922).

      Maududi's commentary - Surah Nur 24:2:
      "In the case of a pregnant woman, the flogging will be postponed till the delivery and the complete discharge of blood after childbirth. But if she is to be stoned to death, the punishment will not be given till the child has been weaned."

      So, even if Ali did stone a pregnant lady, it would've been unIslamic. The Prophet never stoned a pregnant woman, and this isn't part of Islam.

      Allegation 7: A Monkey Got Stoned?

      Modernists Muslims refer to this Hadith:

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 188:
      "Narrated 'Amr bin Maimun: During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them."

      So, few modernist Muslims allege that Muslims concocted this Hadith, to make stoning seem more natural. However, this iHadith just gives Amr's perception of what he saw. Imam Hajar lives more information of this story:

      "I was in Yemen tending the sheep of my people up upon an elevation. A male monkey came with a female and laid his head on her hand. Then a smaller monkey came and beckoned towards her, so she gently slipped her hand out from under the cheek of the first monkey and followed him. He mated with her while I looked on. Then she returned and gently tried to slip her hand back under the cheek of the first monkey, but he woke up suddenly, smelled her, and cried out.

      Then the monkeys gathered round and he began screaming while pointing towards her with his hand. The monkeys went all about and came back with that monkey that I recognized. They dug a pit for the two of them and stoned them both. So I had witnessed stoning being carried out by other than Adam's descendants. It is not necessary that an event that looks like adultery and stoning was really a case of adultery and capital punishment. He merely described it that way because it looked like these things. It does not mean that legal accountability was being applied to animals." (Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani - Fath-ul-Bari - Source).

      There's no way Amr could have known the monkeys true intentions. He wasn't a sahaba of the Prophet, but came a generation after him. Whether we believe this hadith or not, this cannot be used as evidence against stoning in Islam. Moreover, a concocted hadith is usually called a maudu hadith. Modernists Muslims have to prove this is maudu instead of blindly assuming it. For more, go here.

      Allegation 8: 100 Lashes Abrogates Stoning?

      The modernist Muslims bring forth the following Hadith:

      Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4218:
      "Abu Ishaq Shaibani said: I asked 'Abdullah b. Abu Aufi if Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) awarded (the punishment) of stoning (to death). He said: Yes. I said: After Sura al-Nur was revealed or before that? He said: I do not know."

      This hadith is also found in Bukhari. So they conclude from this that all cases of stoning came before Surah Nur 24, and the 100 lashes abrogate this. However, one cannot deduce from this hadith that stoning occurred before Surah Nur was revealed. It shows Abu Aufi did not know the answer to the question. One can visit: (Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Pages 58-65 - Source) for a more thorough refutation of this claim.

      Modernist Muslims also claim the above Hadith shows that Abu Aufi doubted that stoning was part of Islam. The Hadith doesn't indicate this; it merely indicates he didn't know the answer to the question. Here's why the narrator asked the question:

      "The question was asked in order to find out the exact punishment prescribed for adultery." (Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4218 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXXIII - Footnote 2177 - Page 920).

      Moreover, we've already shown above that Surah Nur was revealed before the stonings took place, which means flogging does not abrogate stoning. Also as shown above, Surah 24:2 refers to flogging the unmarried adulterers, not the married.

      Allegation 9: Hadiths Collected Are 200 Years Old:

      Consequently, the modernist Muslim concludes by saying the Hadiths cannot be trusted. Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi provides a concise reply:

      "It is not correct to say that Hadith was compiled only 200 years after Prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) death because there was a great number of hadiths in circulation during the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). But most of the hadiths were compiled during the 2nd century of Hijrah. Further, the muhaddithun (Arabic for: Hadith scholars) spared no effort to verify the Hadith and distinguish between the sahih (Arabic for: authentic), da'if (Arabic for: weak) and mawdu' (Arabic for: fabricated). Having said this, there has been difference in interpretation with regard to both the Qur'an and Hadith. This is due to many factors including understanding the language and historical contexts and backgrounds. But difference of interpretation cannot be taken as a ground for denying or rejecting the source wholeheartedly." (IslamOnline - Source).

      For a more detailed reply to this allegation, go here and here.

      Allegation 10: Stoning Is Barbaric:

      When other allegations fail, they resort to subjectivity. Whether stoning is considered to be barbaric by modernists or not, this doesn't at all disprove that Islam teaches it. Sadly, modernists Muslims who make this claim are influenced by modern man made laws and appeal to common practice, novelty, emotion etc. It's noteworthy that not long ago, various western countries offered the death penalty for certain actions. For example:

      "That is England, upto the early 19th century there were 223 offences, the penalty which was death. These included theft when the value of stolen property was more than 1 shilling, tieting, destroying banks, bridges, or floodgates, offences against administration of justice, offences against public health, offences against public revenue, rape, forcible abduction and other sexual offences. Treason was severely punishable." (A. H. Qasmi - International Encyclopaedia Of Islam - Gyan Publishing House, 2006 - Page 180).

      In contrast, Islamic laws are consistent, which include stoning the married adulterer. Here are some reasons why Islam offers the stoning penalty:

      Muhmmad Taqi Usmani - Ma'arif Quran - Volume 6 - Page 344:
      "Adultery, being a big crime by itself, also brings along with it many other crimes, the result of which is destruction of the entire social order. If the causes of killings and atrocities are probed deeply, the majority of then will appear to be caused due to illegitimate relationship with women."

      Also, HIV, Aids and other STD's are caused as a result of adultery, which spread and kill many. The punishment acts as a prevention so none of this occurs. Had this deterrent existed in the past, HIV/Aids may not have killed and spread as much it had done. The argument that condoms can be used isn't strong, because condoms wasn't there until recently. Moreover:

      "But condoms do not offer absolute protection against AIDS or the other STDs. Why?

      > Condoms sometimes break.
      > Condoms can break down in the presence of oil-based products
      > Condoms sometimes leak when you take them off
      > People sometimes forget to use condoms
      > Even people who do use condoms for intercourse often don't use them for oral sex, which, while less risky is not safe." (Ruth K. Westheimer, Pierre A. Lehu - Sex For Dummies - For Dummies, 2006 - Page 272).

      "...even the most persistent users of condoms, HOV infection "significant, not complete protection" against transmission of the AIDS virus."1 Two studies of heterosexual couples, with one partner infected and one not, came to the same conclusion. In the investigations, between 16-24% of the HIV-free partners were infected despite their regular use of condoms.2. Even the much-celebrated nomoxynol-9 )N-9) does not appear to be foolproof. In a carefully study of 72 prostitutes, 8 of 31, or 26%, using N-9 became infected with HIV compared to 9 of 41, or 22%, using a placebo." 3. All this should come as little surprise. In tests of pregnancy prevention, conception occurs in some 10-15% of cases even where condoms are consistently used and even more frequently where other methods, including spermicides, are employed."

      1.Roger Detels et al., "Sexual Acitivity, Condom Use and HIV-l Serconversion" (Stockhold Conf).

      2. Nancy Padian et la., "Male-to-Female Transmission of Human Immunodeficiency Virus," JAMA 258 (1987): 788-90; James J. Goedern, "What is Safe Sex?" NEJM 316 (1987): 1339-42.

      3. Joan Kreiss et al., "Efficacy of the Spermicide Nonoxynol-0 (N-9) in Prevening Heterosexual Transmission of HIV" (Stockhold Conf). (William B. Johnston, Kevin R. Hopkins, Hudson Institute - The catastrophe ahead: AIDS and the case for a new public policy - Greenwood Publishing Group - Page 71).

      Regardless what protection you have, if Allah wills, you will get STD's. This reminds of the following Hadiths:

      "Whenever unlawful sexual intercourse becomes widespread in a society - so much so that they start doing it in the open - plagues and various types of sicknesses will spread amongst them which weren't present in previous generations." (Classed as Sahih by Al-Hakim - Vol. 4, Pg. 540 - cited in: Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Page 77 - Source).

      "Whenever fornication will start becoming dominant in a society, death will spread." (Ibn Hajar - Fath Al-Bari - Vol. 10, Pg. 193 - cited in: Ibid [Note: This is a disconnected hadith - cited by Ibn Hajar - Source]).

      "Abd Allah ibn 'Umar said, "The Prophet (S) came to us and said, 'O Muhajirun, (emigrants from Makkah to al-Madinah) you may be afflicted by five things; God forbid that you should live to see them. If fornication should become widespread, you should realize that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people which their forebears never suffered." (Ibn Majah - Kitab Al-Fitan - Hadith 4019 - 2/1332 - cited in: Ibn Kathir - The Signs Before The Day Of Judgement - Dar Al Taqwa Ltd. 1991 - Pages 16-17 [classed by Sheikh Albani as Hasan - Source]. Hadith also in Jami' al-Saghir - classed as Sahih by Albani - Source).

      Indeed, the prophecy has come true. Moreover, adultery encourages unfaithfulness to ones spouse. By committing this act, you may have to tell fibs to try and get away with it, and to try and get away with it, you may end up wasting money. We find examples in the world today, sadly. No wonder the omniscient Creator informed us:

      Surah Isra 17:32:
      "Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils)."

      One can visit (Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Pages 67-94 - Source) for more reasons as to why Islam forbids adultery, and statistics which highlight the negative results of adultery. So, a person would think dozens of times before going behind his/her spouse's back and committing adultery, if the stoning penalty was implemented.

      Evidence Islam Teaches Stoning:

      The stoning verse was revealed in the Quran, but only it's recitation was abrogated, not the ruling. There are 3 types of abrogation in which the Quran abrogates itself:

      Ibn Salama, al-nasikh wa al-mansukh, Cairo, 1966, p.5.
      Abrogation of the recited (verse) together with the legal ruling.
      Abrogation of the legal ruling without the recited (verse).
      Abrogation of the recited (verse) without the legal ruling.

      "Abrogated Qur'anic verses fall into three categories. The first is where abrogation affects the two aspects of a Qur'anic text: the ruling, as well the recitation (nask al-hukm wa al-tilawah). In this type of abrogation, the verse is withdrawn from the Qur'anic text and its ruling is no longer valid.

      The second catagory of abrogation affects the ruling of a verse but not its wording (nask al-hukm duna al-tilawah). This means that the verse remains part of the Qur'anic text and is recited. However, the ruling it conveys is no longer in operation.

      The third category of abrogation affects the wording of a verse but not its ruling. This means that, although the verse is no longer part of the Qur'anic text, its ruling remains applicable." (Abdullah Saeed - Interpreting The Qur'an: Towards A Contemporary Approach - Routledge, 2006 - Pages 79-80).

      Similar thing is mentioned in: (Abbas Jaffer & Masuma Jaffer - Quranic Sciences - ICAS Press - Pages 153-156). The 3rd type of abrogation applied to the verse of stoning. It's recitation was abrogated, but the ruling was still binding.

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 82, Number 816:
      "Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: 'Umar said, "I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, "We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book," and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession." Sufyan added, "I have memorized this narration in this way." 'Umar added, "Surely Allah's Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him."

      الراوي زيد بن ثابت: قال زيد كنا نقرأ والشيخ والشيخة . . فقال مروان أفلا نجعله في المصحف قال لا ألا ترى أن الشابين الثيبين يرجمان قال وقال ذكروا ذلك وفينا عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه قال أنا أشفيكم من ذاك قال قلنا كيف قال آتي النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فأذكر كذا وكذا فإذا ذكر الرجم أقول يا رسول الله أكتبني آية الرجم قال فأتيته فذكرته قال فذكر آية الرجم قال فقال يا رسول الله أكتبني آية الرجم قال لا أستطيع ذاك

      "Narrated Zaid Bin Thabit: we used to read: "The old man and the old woman." Marwan said: "Shouldn't we write it down as part of the written Quran?" He replied: "Don't you see that the two young married (adulterers) are to be stoned?" And Umar Bin Al Khattab - may Allah be pleased with him was with us then, so he said: "I will get the answer." We both said: "How?" He said: "From the Prophet, and I will mention such and such to him, and when I get to stoning, I will say: Oh Messenger of Allah, allow me to write the stoning verse." He (Umar) said: "O Messenger of Allah, let me write the stoning verse. He said: "I can't." (Sunan Al-Baihaqi - Classed Sahih By Sheikh Albani In: Silsilat Al-Sahiha, 6/974 - Source. Also In Sunan Nasai, 3046).

      Baihaqi's footnote of the above Hadith is:

      في هذا وما قبله دلالة على أن آية الرجم حكمها ثابت ، وتلاوتها منسوخة ، وهذا مما لا أعلم فيه يه خل

      "With this & what was earlier, this indicates the ruling of the stoning verse is permanent and it's recitation abrogated, and this is something not known to be disputed." (Source).

      The reason the Prophet didn't allow Umar to write it down because it's recitation was abrogated. Ibn Hajar gives us a hadith:

      فقال عمر : لما نزلت أتيت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فقلت أكتبها ؟ فكأنه كره ذلك , فقال عمر : ألا ترى أن الشيخ إذا زنى ولم يحصن جلد , وأن الشاب إذا زنى وقد أحصن رجم

      "Umar said: "When this verse came down I approached the Prophet peace be upon him so I asked him: Should I write it down? It is as if he hated that. Then Umar said: "Cant you see that if the old man if he commits adultery he does not get the whip, and that if the young man if he commits adultery he gets stoned?" (Ibn Hajar - Fathul Bari - Hadith Commentary Of Bukhari, 6441 - 1407 AH/1986 - Source).

      This Hadith (similar wording) is also in: (Musnad Umar, 2/870 - Classed Sahih & Muhalla Bi Al-Athar, 11/235 - Classed Sahih By Ibn Hazm - Source).

      The verse of stoning wasn't supposed to stay in the Quran, which is why the Prophet didn't want it in there. There are a few opinions as to what the verse actually was. The opinions could be read here and here. What is the wisdom behind this type of abrogation? To test Muslims as to whether or not they would follow the sunnah and the Quran. Both are equally authoritative in terms of law, and this type of abrogation tests those who claim to be true Muslims (i.e. Quran only group).

      We've already seen from Sahih Muslim above that Islam teaches stoning. More hadiths are:

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
      "Narrated 'Abdullah: Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

      Sahih Muslim, Book 16, Number 4152:
      "'Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: It is not permissible to take the life of a Muslim who bears testimony (to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and I am the Messenger of Allah, but in one of the three cases: the married adulterer, a life for life, and the deserter of his Din (Islam), abandoning the community."

      "Narrated By Aisha: The Prophet (pbuh) said: Shedding blood of a Muslim man who declares 'there is no God except the One God and that Muhammad is a messenger of God', is not permitted except in one of three cases: A man who commits fornication after having been married, for such a man shall be stoned to death; A man who declares and promotes rebellion against God and His messenger, for such a man shall be killed or crucified or sent into exile from his land; or if he kills a [crimeless] soul, for he shall be killed in retaliation." (Targhib Wa-Al-Tarhib - 3/259 - Isnad is Sahih/Hassan - Source).

      روي أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم قال: لا يحل دم امرئ مسلم يشهد أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول الله إلا بإحدى ثلاث رجل زنى بعد إحصان فإنه يرجم ورجل خرج محاربا لله ورسوله فإنه يقتل أو يصلب أو ينفى من الأرض أو يقتل نفسا فيقتل بها

      "Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed." (Abu Dawud - 4353 - Classed as Sahih By Sheikh Al Albani - Source).

      Hadiths which are similar to the above one could be found in [Musnad Ahmad - 6/64 (Classed as Sahih By Ahmed Shaker - Source) & Classed Sahih By Sheikh Arna'oot, Numbers 3621 & 4065 - Source] & [Tirmidhi - 1402 (Classed as Sahih By Sheikh Al Albani - Source)].

      الشيخ والشيخة إذا زنيا فارجموهما البتة نكالا من الله ورسوله

      "Narrated Zaid Bin Thabit: The old man and the old woman, if they commit adultery then they stone both of them as an exemplary punishment from Allah and his Messenger." (Ithaf Al-Khirah Al-Maharah - 6/257 - Isnad Classed As Trustworthy By Busayri - Source).

      عَنْ الْعَجْمَاءِ، قَالَتْ: سَمِعْتُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ، يَقُولُ:الشَّيْخُ وَالشَّيْخَةُ إِذَا زَنَيَا، فَارْجُمُوهُمَا الْبَتَّةُ بِمَا قَضَيَا مِنَ اللَّذَّةِ

      "Narrated by 'Ajma, she said: I heard that Messenger of Allah say; 'When a married man or woman commit adultery stone them both to death.'" (Tabarani Kabeer, Hadith 20321 - cited here).

      Moreover, even more hadiths show us Muhammad taught stoning, and they can be viewed here. An example of the Prophet implementing stoning...

      Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 195:
      "A man from the tribe of Bani Aslam came to the Prophet while he was in the mosque and said, "I have committed illegal sexual intercourse." The Prophet turned his face to the other side. The man turned towards the side towards which the Prophet had turned his face, and gave four witnesses against himself. On that the Prophet called him and said, "Are you insane?" (He added), "Are you married?" The man said, 'Yes." On that the Prophet ordered him to be stoned to the death in the Musalla (a praying place). When the stones hit him with their sharp edges and he fled, but he was caught at Al-Harra and then killed."

      Similarly, there are more example of Muhammad stoning married adulterers. One can check (Maulana Abdullah Nana - Stoning To Death In Islam - Islamic Da'wah Academy - Pages 23-27 - Source) for references of other examples of stonings. These are classed as tawatur (consecutive) hadiths.

      Finally, let us appeal to scholarship.

      "The majority of theologians, the four Imams (Abu Hanifa, Shafii, Malik and Ahmed bin Hambal) and other learned jurists hold the order for stoning for death still exists." (A. H. Qasmi - International Encyclopaedia Of Islam - Gyan Publishing House, 2006 - Page 288).

      "The command to kill the adulterer by stoning is reported by almost all books of Hadith (Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ibn Majah, Baihawi, Ahmad). This, there is no difference of opinion amongst Muslim scholars over this issue that married adulterers must be stoned to death." (M M Akbar - Authenticity Of Quran - DA'WA BOOKS - Page 240).

      "Ibn Qudamah says: stoning is obligatory upon whoever commits adultery after having being married. This is the statement of all the people of knowledge from the Companions and the Successors and those who came after then in every land and age. No one ever disputed this expect the Khawarij." (Jim McCrudden - Islam FAQ - 2008 - Page 134).

      "The hadd punishment of stoning for a married person who commits zina is one of the matters that is determined by the Qur'aan and Sunnah and there is no room for ijtihaad or personal opinion." (Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa'imah, 22/48-49 cited in: Muhammad Saed Abdul-Rahman - Islam: Questions and Answers - Jurisprudence and Islamic Rulings - Transactions - Volume 29 - Part 8 - MSA Publication Limited, 2004 - Page 179).

      Majority hold the view that for the married adulterer, stoning & flogging isn't advisable.

      "There is a difference of opinion amongst the jurists as to the precise nature of the punishment prescribed for adultery. There is however no difference of opinion that the punishment prescribed for married persons is stoning to death and for unmarried persons it is one hundred lashes. The difference is whether it is essential to combine lashing with stoning as recorded in the hadith for married persons and lashing with exile for unmarried offenders. Imam Ahmad, Dawud Zahiri and Ishaq b. Rahawai, on the authority of the ahadith recorded above, assert that on case of married persons there are two punishments, i.e. lashing and stoning,, and above both should be awarded.

      The other jurists who form an overwhelming majority are of the opinion that it is not advisable to aware two punishments together as it was not done by the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) himself, but only in once case and that too under exceptional circumstances. It is narrated on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abdullah that a person committed adultery, and the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) punished him with one hundred lashes , but, later on, it was found out that the offender was married one and then the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) awarded him the punishment of stoning to death." (Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4192 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXX - Footnote 2154 - Page 911)

      This same point that majority held the view of only stoning is stated by Imam Nawawi (Imam Nawawi - Sharh Saheeh Muslim -).

      BarakAllaah feek

  13. Assalamu alaykum Brother Takbir,

    You have quickly copy pasted materials to "impose" on me a complusion to believe that stoning to death is indeed a punishment in Islam for married adulterers.

    I am sorry, I do not do copy paste work. Since last 3 hours or may be more I am typing a reply for you. Yet only HALF MY JOB IS DONE. INSHA ALLAH, you will have full reply soon. My mind, Alhamdulillaah seeks truth and I spend hours searching for true answers. I use my brain and for now, I ask you I send you a part of the reply I have typed and want answers before I go ahead, as without these answers, the other part of your response becomes vague and unworthy of answering.

    Please do not let my efforts go waste. Please get me appropriate answers to the points I mention to you.

    I think you got these responses from Islam-qa.com and had to take the trouble of copy pasting the material.

    I do believe in obeying the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah (salallaahu alayhi wasallam) and also the fact that the ways of the Sahabas and early generations of Islam as have a solid base. But I do not blindly accept whatever comes my way, even if it is saheeh hadith. I match it with the book of Allah, and I take the pain of doing some research for myself and a great deal of pondering upon the verses of the Qur’an.

    Brother Takbir, if you could do me a favor, post my reply to the website from where you got your response to my question, if I am not wrong Islam-qa.com, as I could not find the link to send my view points to the scholars there.

    Reading your reply now, I am able to write down a few points which I think are necessary to be answered by either you or the scholars from whom you got this material:

    1. The Qur’an as per the verses of Surah An Nuur “ has already laid down a judgment” and has not left any room for judgment. So please read the first verse of the Surah “ We have ‘revealed’ + ‘enjoined’ and revealed ‘clear revelations’. Is it hard for you to understand Allah’s words?

    2. When Allah lays down a rule clearly and leaves no scope for addition and subtraction to it. The Prophet would not ever go against what Allah has revealed and make a “sunnah” of his own to be obeyed above the revelations of Allah. Do you think he would do that?

    3. Further to this, I did not only mention repentance, but also doing good deeds in relation to the verses of Surah Furqaan you mentioned, as they talk about good deeds also along with repentance for illegal sexual intercourse. Rajm is redemption? And could you please explain how do dead people do good deeds after death?

    4. When Allah has clearly stated 100 lashes for adulterer or adulteress, AGAIN MY POINT IS – ALLAH HAS MADE NO DIFFERENCE HERE (in verse 2 of Surah An Nuur) BETWEEN MARRIED ADULTERER OR UNMARRIED ADULTERER. ANSWER ME O SCHOLARS OF ISLAM. WHERE HAS ALLAH SAID WHAT YOU SAY?

    5. If Allah has clearly stated 100 lashes, how could the Prophet add an exile of one year to it? Please tell me? When Allah clearly mentions we have “enjoined” this Surah and revealed clear, what sort of doubt is there in prescribed punishment? Answer me.

    6. The hadith of Al Bukhari, brother, read it again, don’t you find a clear contradiction? It claims: The Prophet said : “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I will judge between you according to the Book of Allaah. And he orders stoning for the married woman who admitted her crime. If he judged by Allah’s book then where in Allah’s book is such punishment? Answer me. Or is it a lie attributed to one of the most God fearing persons in history and our beloved Prophet? Answer me.

    7. A VERY BIG ACCUSATION YOU HAVE PUT IN IGNORANCE ON THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (salallaahu alayhi wasallam) and one of the best sahabas Umar (May Allah be pleased with him)
    Al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated in their Saheehs from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth and revealed to him the Book, and one of the things that Allaah revealed was the verse of stoning. We have read it and understood it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stoned (adulterers) and we stoned (them) after him, but I fear that there may come a time when some people say: ‘By Allaah, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of Allaah.’ So they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that Allaah has revealed. According to the Book of Allaah, stoning is deserved by the one who commits zina, if he is married, men and women alike, if proof is established or the woman becomes pregnant or they confess…”
    A few flaws, contradictions to the Qur’an which I note in this hadith are as below:

    1. Allah revealed a verse of stoning and they (Umar and companions– may Allah be pleased with them) understood the verse. If yes, where is that verse in which Surah?
    2. If the verse is lost, which cannot be the case ever. Because all Muslims believe Allah has promised to protect the Qur’an and it is the same today as it was revealed to the Messenger of Allah. Allah Himself says in Surah Al Hijr: We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.”
    By this hadith what should one conclude? Allah did not guard the Qur’an? The verse about stoning got lost? You mean to say Allah failed his promise? Audhubillah, I seek refuge in Allah. It can never be so. Think about this hadith’s text and its truth for yourself.

    3. If you mean to say the verse was revealed and the Prophet did not choose to keep it in the Qur’an, than this idea also fails completely against the Qur’an, as Allah says in Surah Yunus: “15. And when Our clear revelations are recited unto them they who look not for the meeting with Us say: Bring a
    Lecture other than this, or change it. Say (O Muhammad): It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I only follow that which is inspired in me. Lo! If I disobey my Lord I fear the retribution of an awful Day.

    OPEN YOUR EYES MY BROTHER. The Prophet (salallaahu alayhi wasallam) would never choose, pick or change any revelation. That is a huge accusation against the Messenger of Allah in ignorance that a verse regarding stoning was revealed and was not included in the Book of Allah. HUGE ACCUSATION AGAINST THE PROPHET (Salallaahu alayhi wasallam).

    Futher to this, your reply says “So they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that Allaah has revealed. According to the Book of Allaah, stoning is deserved by the one who commits zina, if he is married, men and women alike, if proof is established or the woman becomes pregnant or they confess…”
    How false is the above statement? Where has Allah revealed an “obligation – fard” like it in His Book? Obligation revealed is in clear Arabic text: 100 lashes. And where in the Qur’an you find such verse which states: according to the Qur’an married men and women deserve to be stoned if proof is established that the woman is pregnant or they confess? Answer me please if this is true for the Book of Allah or according to the book of Allah.

    8. Your reply further quotes: “ The hadd punishment of stoning for a married person who commits zina is one of the matters that is determined by the Qur’aan and Sunnah and there is no room for ijtihaad or personal opinion”.
    This matter is not determined at all by the Qur’an. This is clear to even a small kid reading the Qur’an.
    And why there is no room for Ijtihaad or personal opinion? Because we should take anything that is told to us by scholars by ignoring the Book of Allah? Of course this is narrow mindedness. Allah reveals in the Qur’an again and again: Ponder upon this Qur’an.

    Brother Takbir, it is for every individual to seek the truth and there is always room for discussion in Islam. It is Allah’s Deen and all Muslims have right to put forward their views, research and opinions and it is their duty to bring forward the Truth .

    9. Regarding Surah Nisaa verse 25, you have given the words like “lewdness”, “immorality” etc for “bifahishatin” in your reply. But you forgot and the scholars forgot. The same scholars when speak of adultery in their answers put forward this verse of Surah 17, Al Israa:

    “Wala taqraboo alzzinainnahu kana fahishatan wasaa sabeelan”

    And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way.

    Why do they use “fahishatan” for adultery here? Why not use lighter words like in your reply? Answer me brother.

    You will know that in the whole of Qur’an “fahishah” is used for referring to illegal sexual activities.

    If it is just lewdness for sake for argument, what is the punishment for lewd behavior in Islam? Answer me. And then what is half the punishment of lewd behavior? Answer me brother.

    10. They say the verse 4:25, refers to pre marital sex by slaves. Allah here clearly speaks about sex/ lewdness after marriage and not before, open your eyes to the Qur’an and do not blindly believe what the scholars say, else consequences may be grave. Allah says: And if when they are honorably married they commit lewdness they shall incur the half of the punishment (prescribed) for free women (in that case).
    Did you read? Even after being married they commit lewdness, their punishment is half that of free women. So this is clearly referring to post marriage illegal sex and not pre marriage as stated in your reply. AND I DO NOT SAY THIS. ALLAH HAS REVEALED THIS IN THE QUR’AN.
    Please ask the scholars to check one more time. It refers to post marriage and not pre marriage as they say. And this verse states, slaves committing illegal sex after marriage should have half the punishment of free woman who do the same thing (after marriage) as this verse clearly refers to adultery after marriage. There is no doubt about it to anyone who reads it.

    Please first get to prove how correct the hadiths related to stoning are. First clear the contradictions in them. Becase your reply's 2/3rd part is based on these hadiths. All scholars you mentioned have accepted these hadiths as ultimate truth and have given views to which I would only reply once you make clear the truth of the points I mentioned above.

    May Allah give you jazaa for helping me seek the truth.

    Salaam brother.

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    • BarakAllaah feek for the response,

      Firstly I don't consider my self to be a Scholar nor an expert, i consider myself to be a student of knowledge who tries to benefit from the true and genuine scholars, who have spend their entire life learning the deen of Allaah though they may mistake and every son of Adam commits mistake save the prophets.

      its true that some of my answer is taken from Islam-qa and bits from other places, the reason I copied ans pasted them is because the likes of your arguments are not something new, they have been sparked before and specifically Quranist movement led to the initiation of such modernistic views and also many modern and liberal muslims fell prey to that, Allaahul Must'aan

      My point is if scholars have already refuted these arguments then there is no point re-initiating the discussion.

      I find problems in you-

      1- You have come to realize that your knowledge is at the same level of scholars and that you can argue with them . brother may I ask you what is the level of proficiency you posses in Arabic sciences let alone Hadith, Adab, Fiqh and Tafseer.

      2- You think that a lay man can read the quran and derive judgments and he doesn't need any other assisting sciences, this naive approach to quran has left many people in to misguidance and fitna .

      3- every ayah has its own asbaab al nuzool and the context in which it was sent and some of them got abrogated, without hadeeth this can never be explored further.

      4- you seem to have serious problem with Saheeh Hadeeth, I agree with you that Saheeh hadeeth can never go against Quran and vice versa, but due to over limited knowledge WE THINK that there is a contradiction but in fact it can easily be reconciled .
      This Ummah has agreed that after Quran the most authentic book under the Sun is Saheeh Haddeth, there have been scholars who spend 20 to 40 years studying Hadeeth and now we come picking mistakes in the hadeeth, lets ask ourselves who much 'ilm do we have regarding the sciences of Hadeeth, Mustala Al Hadeeth leave alone commenting on it. there are more than 60 ways in which hadeeths can be reconciled.

      Brother if you want sincere discussion please email me or chat to me online , I dont want to confuse people here and its not the appropriate place for such debates.

      Allaah Yajzeek

      • Assalamu alaykum Brother Takbir,

        You may have your opinions about me, I won't argue. I respect it.

        Without arguing much, I have taken out a few hours of my nights sleep it is 3:24 am, for seeking an answer. So being my brother, you should respect it and get reconciliation for the hadiths you mentioned.

        I am sure in 60 or 600 ways they cannot be reconciled and you know why? Because they have attributed lies to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and to Umar ( may Allah be pleased with him) and the Sahabas (may Allah be pleased with them).

        Do you remember an ayat of the Qur'an?

        18. Nay, but We hurl the true against the false, and it doth break its head and lo! it vanisheth. - Surah Anbiyaa.

        Allah hurls the truth and breaks the head of falsehood. So my dear brother, I may not possess the knowledge of the scholars you mention, or I may not possess the knowledge of the sciences you mentioned.

        But you know what I possess?

        I possess the Qur'an. The Most priceless possessin of a Muslim. I possess the Message of my Prophet, and with it I distinguish truth from falsehood and I welcome all the scholars with all that knowledge to prove my findings wrong.

        Pelase answer my ten points. You may ask Brother Wael for my email id.

        Salaam.

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  14. Assalamu alaykum Brother Muslim Man,

    Thank you for your supportive words and finding some logic in my little use of brain.

    Brother, even if it were law, how many would follow it?

    True. Good question.

    But you have to know, Allah says in the Qur'an, you may hide from people, but not from Allah. So on a personal level we may hide our actions from people, but not from Allah. Same is in the case of adultery.

    In Islamic countries, those who may be caught and witnesses witness to the act or it is proved, they may be punished and the ayat may be put in to action.

    All matters go to Allah at last.

    We seek forgiveness for our sins and wasted efforts.

    Salaam.

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  15. Dear Writers,

    Alhumdulillah the sister who submitted this post has been given some good advice by some brothers and sisters here and it seems that she is on her way to doing the right thing. She has involved the police and has moved out of her husband's house taking her daughter with her. Hopefully the police will take the necessary steps and action to safeguard the sister and her daughter and they will also deal with the husband as the law of the land sees fit.

    So I am wondering, why all the bickering over judgement, punishment and stoning? Its really not necessary or needed here and is quite futile.

    The best thing we can all do is to morally support this sister to remain strong so she can help herself and her daughter.

    SisterZ
    IslamicAnswers.com Editor

    • Assalamu alaykum Sister Z,

      Sister who asked question is brave, Masha Allah. We are happy and pray for safety of her and her kid and other two kids she mentioned and we pray to Allah to give good sense to this man and guide him to a straight way, if He wills.

      I am fully aware this page is not right place for such discussions, but I cannot tolerate falsehood being imposed as certain truth and that too lieas attributed to the Messenger of Allah, so sometimes I end up working too hard to make known the truth :)

      Khair, Allah is great and Insha Allah we will see with time, for my job is to please Allah only and make manifest the truth.

      Salaam.

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      Therefor give good tidings (O Muhammad) to my bondmen, who hear advice and follow the best thereof. Such are those whom Allah guideth, and such are men of understanding.- Surah 39, Az Zumar, verse 17-18.

  16. Assalamu Aleikum ,

    I'm actually shocked at the rudeness of this man. How can he try to justify his perversion with culture?

    His behaviour is the behaviour of a pervert. Although I have to admit that the sister was very simple, too,

    which culture would allow a father to be that close to his child? In Islam, the aura( complete nudity) is only

    allowed in front of the husband. Not even women should be fully naked in front of each other.

    When we go to the public swimming pool nobody of us is naked. We are all covered. And the father or

    the mother are absolutely prohibited to show the private parts in front of the children. We have the concept

    of mahram or non-mahram in Islam, and even within the family unit, there are different levels of mahram.

    The father is mahram of the hair( which he is allowed to see), mahram of the hands and the arms, and

    the legs. The mother is basically allowed to see everything because she is breastfeeding and has a

    different closeness to her children. The uncle or brothers are mahram of hair, arms and hands, but

    even they are never allowed to see their sister naked or vice versa. The qu'ran states in one aya

    that there is even haya(shamefulness) and hijab(veil) within the family unit to the extent that the

    children should knock at their parents' bedroom door at dhuhur( arab siesta time), after maghrib

    and before fajr, the morning prayer. The privacy of the family unit is of utmost importance in Islam and

    the family members have to respect each other's boundaries ,even more in an Islamic family.

    I believe that even in the Amazone forest , people would behave in a more civilized way than you

    described your husband. It was right to take your daughter and walk away. This would have become

    a serious danger for her and it was right to protect her.

    Jazakallah

  17. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HELL NO! excuse my language

    TAKE YOUR POOR BABY TO THE HOSPITAL, GET OUT OF THAT HOUSE!, AND CALL THE COPS!!!

    THIS IS IN NO WAY, SHAPE OR FORM RIGHT IN ANYONE'S BOOK! HE IS A PERVERT AND MOLESTING YOUR 2 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    THIS IS NOT ISLAM! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DROP THIS JERK AND RUN!!!! GET YOUR BABY SOME HELP!

  18. dear dakota1721,

    Hearing things like this gets my

    blood boiling. Its mothers like you that are to scared of a man and what he's going to do or say that you

    either deny theres a problem or know and dont do anything about it. This is sick and in no way, shape, or

    form is this a cultural or Islamic thing. Even if it was a cultural thing on his behalf use your common sense. If

    it makes you feel uncomfortable and your daughter is acting very paranoid, insecure, and uncomfortable

    then it is a matter that needs to proactively be dealt with in a fast and swift manner. This is wrong on all

    levels of being wrong , it is a grave sin, and there is no way Islam supports or promotes this!

    1st off:

    in islam modesty is key. Modesty in front of family, strangers, friends, and household members. The only

    people allowed to see one's privates or nudity is ones spouse, or ones doctor for medical or health

    reasons. Of course some parents take baths with their children and you all know what I mean when I say

    this such as if you have siblings and at times you guys bathed together when you were younger. I remember

    bathing with my umi (mother) sometime when I was little but this is a harmless thing and I

    would suggest not doing this with the father unless he wears either boxers or swim shorts, as you dont

    want to cause any accidental touching of genitals as this is just breeding grounds for the shaytaan. If

    the genitals are out of sight they are out of mind. Seeing the moms genitals are fine and not, as bad as,

    seeing the dads, as the kid is more accustomed and familiar with their mothers body. Such in the case that

    we are born from our mothers through her genitals, we are most likely used to seeing our mothers such at

    young ages when you are home with your mom and she has to shower and keep an eye on you at the same

    time and she either allows you to pass in and out the bathroom while she showers, or in and out her room

    while she gets dressed, or he/she (the child) at 2 years old is probably either still being breast fed or was

    breast fed and is already used to seeing his/her moms breasts so they cause no room for curiosity.

    2nd:

    once the child gets older bathing with them and allowing them to see you nude should definitely stop! I

    would say this is at the age of 2 years and up as children then start to get curious of your private parts,

    question things, and become aware of their own genitals. Even when children get past a certain age girls in

    particular should not sit on their dads laps and should have a modesty about them being sure to properly

    keep themselves covered and im not saying in full hijab or islamic clothing but just like a nice loose fitting t-

    shirt and pajama pants when walking around in their home to prevent the whispering of the shaytaan (devil).

    Also when children get to a certain age I believe its 7 years old siblings that are boys and girls

    should not share the same room anymore but become separated and sleep in seperate rooms. Boys can

    be with boys, and girls with girls sharing a room, it can no longer be CO-ed. Such is the same with bathing

    siblings together. Male siblings can no longer be bathed with female siblings and vice versa.

    3rd:

    children can no longer sleep with their parents at the age of 12 or 13 (im not sure on the age).

    Again all of you know what I mean when I say sleep with your parents. On those days when you were little

    and were afraid of the dark or that a monster would pop out the closet you ran in the bed to curl up in the

    middle of your parents. Also being nude just to be nude for no apparent reason invites the shaytaan (devil)

    and jinns to mess with you and whisper to you. Did you know that just being nude for no reason (you are not

    being intimate with your spouse, bathing, etc.) not only invites the shaytaan but also the jinns who can touch

    you and your private parts, but the angels being modest is shy of your nakedness and therefore does not

    come around into your house. Even if no one is present with you ALLAH hears and see's all and he is most

    deserving of your modesty then anyone else. As our beloved prophet S.A.W said in this hadith:

    On the authority of Mu'aawiya ibn Haida, who said: "I said: `O Messenger of Allaah, which of our nakedness is allowed, and of which must we beware?' The Prophet answered, "Guard your nakedness except from your wife or those whom your right hand possesses." (So it is permissible for both spouses to look at and touch the body of his or her companion even the private parts). He said: `O Messenger of Allah, what about if the relatives live together with each other?' The Prophet answered : "If you can make sure that no one ever sees your nakedness, then do so." He said: `O Messenger of Allah, what about when one is alone?' The Prophet said: "Allah is more deserving of your modesty than are the people"."[Ahmad, Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhee and others: Saheeh].

    So there you have it right there. As said by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w). And the fact that he pulls out his

    genitals in front of your daughter, and displays very inappropriate actions he is directly disobeying the

    prophet and therefore disobeying Allah and not fearing his lord, because a proper muslim man that fears

    ALLAH and obeys his prophet would never put out such behavior. Even if you do not do it for yourself do it

    for your daughter and leave this man in the dust. Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law and remove

    yourself and your daughter from this situation. A father is not permissible for his daughter and thats final! So

    therefore he should not be commiting incestral acts towards his own daughter! I only wish nothing but the

    best for your daughter and I hope she can over come this situation in her future years insha-allah and be a

    pious woman insha-allah. Leave this guy, Allah will provide for you, have no fear, and may Allah help you

    and guide you to islam and that which is correct. Ameen.

    • Assalamu alaykum Sister Allie k,

      Sister dakota1721, who posted this question seeking advice wrote the below yesterday:

      Thank you all for your feedback. I immediately went to the police from her drs. And have not let him see her since Monday when everything just fell into place. I didn't think Muslim men would be so open with their sexuality in front of their children but I believed he was a good man. Now I am staying with my mother. Throughout our marriage he was emotional abusive to me but I never saw it until one day he said my mother didn't love me and he had been a good husband to me since he never beat me. We live in America and he has never tried to learn the life here and does not see that I have tried to change my behaviors and dress to be more modest and show respect to him and his religion. Now I am afraid that he will try to kiddnap our daughter. I'm afraid to leave the house alone with her. The police said they were going to talk to him and he has not contacted me since Thursday. Thank you all for helping me. I didn't think a good muslim would do these sorts of things but I thought I was overreacting. Now I worry for his niece and nefew since he has stated that he took showers with them as well. Thank you.

      * * *

      Just thought you were too concerned and unaware of what step she took. So I qouted her reply.

      Salaam.

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      Therefor give good tidings (O Muhammad) to my bondmen, who hear advice and follow the best thereof. Such are those whom Allah guideth, and such are men of understanding.- Surah 39, Az Zumar, verse 17-18.

      • thank you brother munib,

        yea i was a little passionate with my answer but its just that this stuff angers me to the point of no return... it still seems she's in some sort of danger and this guy is such a creep... i just hope her and her daughter will be ok and that Allah gives them their rights soon... i'll continue to make du'ah for them insha-allah

  19. PLEASE SISTER PLEASE...

    GET YOUR BABY SOME HELP. TAKE HER TO THE HOPITAL, CALL THE COPS, AND GET OUT OF THERE

    GOOD LUCK AND PLEASE GET OUT OF THERE NOW!

  20. asslamalykum sister ,i really feel bad when i had heard your story because i cant belive this the own father can do this
    may be he is watching a lots of bad or blue movies, or he dint has any good friends.
    but all of these are evil acts u shoud take a step now.

    dont be fear to take action because this is the matter of u kid. this is fard for u to protect u r child and give him to the cobs
    then only he will learn the lesson of whatever he had done is worst, dont live him just like this sister.
    dont worry i will pray for u allah will make every thing easy for u in future inshallh

  21. Dakota,

    I am very sorry to hear of your situation. You did the right thing by calling the police and CPS (child protective services). Your husbands behavior is that of a very sick man who needs help. No child should ever have to endure what your child has. As I'm sure you are already aware from the multitude of posts, the behavior your husband exhibits has nothing to do with being Muslim, he's just a sick pervert and possibly mentally ill. I applaud you for acting quickly by notifying authorities and going to your mother to stay. This child is not safe with him, not even for even a short span of time. God willing you will get the help you need and with the help of authorities, he will not be able to hurt her any longer.

  22. Hi just wanted to update everyone. He denied everything to the police while swearing to Allah he was telling the truth. Also, he brought his girlfriend with him to the interview with the police. I suspect he has been cheating on me for a very long time. Even while he was telling me he loved me and I was the only woman he would ever love and want to be with he was with this other woman. I can't believe how stupid I was. I have nothing but disgust and revulsion for him. I'm just worried that he may have given me a disease do to his not wearing a condom with her while he was with me. He denied it all so he must know what he's been doing is wrong. But he took an oath that he was telling the truth and lied so I don't think Allah will be very happy with him. He is such a disgusting man I can't believe I trusted him all these years. At least I have documentation of my concerns with all my doctors and my friends have wittnessed how negligent he is with our daughter. I hope he gets what he deserves. Now I have to go to my doctor and be tested for diseases he may passed to me because of his adultry. This is not the first time he's cheated on me either. He is not repentant or sorry. I hope Allah sees what a bad man he is. Thank you so much for your advise.

    • Sister you are not the stupid one, your husband is. Thank God you found out what a terrible and nasty person he is. You don't need trash in your life. He surely did not prove to be a good husband and more importantly a GOOD father. Don't ever let your daughter be with this man alone. He can never be trusted. You should visit your doctor immediately and take your daughter as well. Your husband would surely get his punishment but as for the girlfriend she is just too naive to see this man for what he really is. Shame for her!

      Rumaysa

    • dakota1721,

      As sister Rumaysa told you...you are not the stupid one here. There is no way you could have known what your husband was doing behind your back. As the best advocate for your child, you must do everything for your daughter that you can. You may get custody of your daughter based on the grounds of sexual molestation but...your husband will fight for his right to spend time with her. The courts would decide such an issue. Make sure when push comes to shove with the courts, that any visitation he might be awarded to her will be supervised by a court appointed individual. That way, although he can see her and spend time with her...she will not be alone with him at all. This will help to further protect her and give you some sort of peace of mind, if any. Whatever you do, take the time to learn the laws in your state. If you do not know or your not sure about something...ask. Remember...YOU are your child's advocate... her voice.

  23. ASA sister:

    RUN to the cops!!! if u have not already! When you wnt to the doctor, did your child get a vaginal exam? R u sure he has nt gone that far? Such behavior is innapropiate for men from here or the mars!! The fact that he is from a different culture/country than u does not give him that right!
    If i was u, i would beat him up sooooo bad and then call the cops...WHAT A PIG!!!!!

    AMIRA

  24. No way not a true muslim can do such things. In islam there's the most respect for daughters, sister mother wife even for a stranger. Wtever culture u belong to in this world no father can do it. Ur husband is a sick man get rid of him for the sake of your daughter n take her with you all the time. ALLAH bless your inocent kid amin.

  25. السَّلامُ عَلَيْكُمْ

    brotherrMunib says:
    "The Qur’an as per the verses of Surah An Nuur “ has already laid down a judgment” and has not left any room for judgment. So please read the first verse of the Surah “ We have ‘revealed’ + ‘enjoined’ and revealed ‘clear revelations’. Is it hard for you to understand Allah’s words?"

    How does suddenly mean that Surah 24:2 has to refer to all types of adulteresses and adulteresers? It doesn't. Also, you forget that Quran also appeals to the hadiths so we should also take this is context.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "When Allah lays down a rule clearly and leaves no scope for addition and subtraction to it. The Prophet would not ever go against what Allah has revealed and make a “sunnah” of his own to be obeyed above the revelations of Allah. Do you think he would do that?"

    Actually, there is a concept in Islam called naskh and mansukh (abrogation) which teaches Allah abrogates and replaces in the Quran. After all Quranic abrogations occurred, THEN no addition or subtraction took place. I agree the Prophet wouldn't make a sunnah of his own. However, what he was REVEALED is also given in our ahadith.

    Secondly, if Allah has abrogated certain rulings through the Prophet and the Prophet narrates them, it's proof that he isn't going against Allah, but rather he is obeying Allah. Here a hadith worth sharing:

    "Narrated Al Miqdaam: The Messenger of Allah peace be upon him said: I have been given the Quran and that which is similar to it. Yet, there will come a time when a man will be leaning on his couch saying: 'Follow only the Quran: what it says is halal, we take as halal, and what it says is haram, we take as haram.' But listen! WHATEVER THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH FORBIDS IS LIKE WHAT ALLAH FORBIDS." [Sahih according to Ibn Hajar and Al-Albani here: http://www.dorar.net/enc/hadith?skeys=%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%89+%D8%A3%D8%B1%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%AA%D9%87+%D9%8A%D8%AD%D8%AF%D8%AB&xclude=&d1=1.

    Abdullah bin Masud understood from Surah 59:7 that Allah revealed to the Prophet the sunnah (see Ibn Kathir's tafasir) and the foregoing narration also proves this. If you argue such and such narrations are not authentic, you need proper evidence from authorities.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "Further to this, I did not only mention repentance, but also doing good deeds in relation to the verses of Surah Furqaan you mentioned, as they talk about good deeds also along with repentance for illegal sexual intercourse. Rajm is redemption? And could you please explain how do dead people do good deeds after death?"

    The Arabic word in verse 68 doesn't have to refer to both married and unmarried adulterers. Even if it did apply to both, it's possible for a married adulterer to get away with being stoned, due to the lack of evidence presented against him/her. Also, it' possible that a Muslim can commit adultery outside an Islamic state, and hence not get stoned. These verses could also refer to non-Muslims too, who repent after committing adultery. Therefore, he/she can preform good deeds and repent.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "When Allah has clearly stated 100 lashes for adulterer or adulteress, AGAIN MY POINT IS – ALLAH HAS MADE NO DIFFERENCE HERE (in verse 2 of Surah An Nuur) BETWEEN MARRIED ADULTERER OR UNMARRIED ADULTERER. ANSWER ME O SCHOLARS OF ISLAM. WHERE HAS ALLAH SAID WHAT YOU SAY?"

    Who are you to say Allah made no difference in the verse? So, you know fiqh better than the 1000's of scholars over 1000+ years of academic endeavour? The scholars are aware that the Prophet's authentic sayings are what Allah has revealed, so when the specifications are in those hadiths, that is what Allah has said. There are instances in the ahadith showing that the Prophet stoned the married adulterers, and flogged the unmarried.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "If Allah has clearly stated 100 lashes, how could the Prophet add an exile of one year to it? Please tell me? When Allah clearly mentions we have “enjoined” this Surah and revealed clear, what sort of doubt is there in prescribed punishment? Answer me."

    What was already pasted above by brother Takbit will answer this:

    "There is a difference of opinion amongst the jurists as to the precise nature of the punishment prescribed for adultery. There is however no difference of opinion that the punishment prescribed for married persons is stoning to death and for unmarried persons it is one hundred lashes. The difference is whether it is essential to combine lashing with stoning as recorded in the hadith for married persons and lashing with exile for unmarried offenders. Imam Ahmad, Dawud Zahiri and Ishaq b. Rahawai, on the authority of the ahadith recorded above, assert that on case of married persons there are two punishments, i.e. lashing and stoning,, and above both should be awarded.

    The other jurists who form an overwhelming majority are of the opinion that it is not advisable to aware two punishments together as it was not done by the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) himself, but only in once case and that too under exceptional circumstances. It is narrated on the authority of Jabir b. 'Abdullah that a person committed adultery, and the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) punished him with one hundred lashes , but, later on, it was found out that the offender was married one and then the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) awarded him the punishment of stoning to death." (Commentary Of: Sahih Muslim, Book 17, Number 4192 - Abdul Hamid Siddiqi's Commentary - Dar Al Arabia - Volume 3 - Chapter DCLXXX - Footnote 2154 - Page 911).

    So, there are exceptions according to the majority of jurists as to when to combine the two. Secondly, Allah has revealed to the Prophet certain rulings not found in the Quran, and the same clear Quran instructs us clearly to follow the Prophet's sayings.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "The hadith of Al Bukhari, brother, read it again, don’t you find a clear contradiction? It claims: The Prophet said : “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, I will judge between you according to the Book of Allaah. And he orders stoning for the married woman who admitted her crime. If he judged by Allah’s book then where in Allah’s book is such punishment? Answer me. Or is it a lie attributed to one of the most God fearing persons in history and our beloved Prophet? Answer me."

    There's no conflict, because this was an EXCEPTION due to the circumstances. Secondly, you fail to realize that in Allah's book (59:7), we are to follow the Prophet, because he says is to be taken. I already said Abdullah bin Masud (a sahaba) understood from Surah 59:7 that Allah revealed to the Prophet the sunnah, EVEN THOUGH the rulings in question are not given in the Quran.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "A VERY BIG ACCUSATION YOU HAVE PUT IN IGNORANCE ON THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH (salallaahu alayhi wasallam) and one of the best sahabas Umar (May Allah be pleased with him)
    Al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated in their Saheehs from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: “Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the truth and revealed to him the Book, and one of the things that Allaah revealed was the verse of stoning. We have read it and understood it. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stoned (adulterers) and we stoned (them) after him, but I fear that there may come a time when some people say: ‘By Allaah, we do not find the verse of stoning in the Book of Allaah.’ So they will go astray by forsaking an obligation that Allaah has revealed. According to the Book of Allaah, stoning is deserved by the one who commits zina, if he is married, men and women alike, if proof is established or the woman becomes pregnant or they confess…”
    A few flaws, contradictions to the Qur’an which I note in this hadith are as below:

    1. Allah revealed a verse of stoning and they (Umar and companions– may Allah be pleased with them) understood the verse. If yes, where is that verse in which Surah?"

    The verse was revealed to the Prophet, but Allah abrogated it's recitation but it's injunction remained (one of the types of Quranic abrogations). This has already been dealt with by these brothers:

    http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/the_quranic_verse_on_stoning
    http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/2/Refute_Stoning_Adultery.html (reach the section: "Evidence Islam Teaches Stoning".)

    Above gives opinions as to what the verse was. However, since the injunction in all these opinions agree with stoning, the slight differences in the recitation do not matter, because the recitation was abrogated, not the injunction of stoning.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "If the verse is lost, which cannot be the case ever. Because all Muslims believe Allah has promised to protect the Qur’an and it is the same today as it was revealed to the Messenger of Allah. Allah Himself says in Surah Al Hijr: We, even We, reveal the Reminder, and lo! We verily are its Guardian.”
    By this hadith what should one conclude? Allah did not guard the Qur’an? The verse about stoning got lost? You mean to say Allah failed his promise? Audhubillah, I seek refuge in Allah. It can never be so. Think about this hadith’s text and its truth for yourself."

    We will not think blindly (as you are) without acquiring proper knowledge from the 1000+ years of dedication & scholarship. Since ALLAH IS THE ABROGATOR OF THE QURAN (and he knew in advance what will be revealed, abrogated and not abrogated), the recitation to this verse did not accidentally go missing. The ruling was upheld, not the recitation. Since it was Allah's INTENTION to have abrogation, the Quran is not corrupted after abrogation.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "If you mean to say the verse was revealed and the Prophet did not choose to keep it in the Qur’an, than this idea also fails completely against the Qur’an, as Allah says in Surah Yunus: “15. And when Our clear revelations are recited unto them they who look not for the meeting with Us say: Bring a
    Lecture other than this, or change it. Say (O Muhammad): It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I only follow that which is inspired in me. Lo! If I disobey my Lord I fear the retribution of an awful Day."

    This is a strawman of what virtually all our scholars have argued. We don't argue that the Prophet did not choose to keep the recitation in the Quran, we argue that ALLAH did not choose to do this. Our hadiths clearly implies the abrogation, but some people over here jump to conclusions too quickly (i.e. you).

    brotherrMunib says:
    "Your reply further quotes: “ The hadd punishment of stoning for a married person who commits zina is one of the matters that is determined by the Qur’aan and Sunnah and there is no room for ijtihaad or personal opinion”.
    This matter is not determined at all by the Qur’an. This is clear to even a small kid reading the Qur’an.
    And why there is no room for Ijtihaad or personal opinion? Because we should take anything that is told to us by scholars by ignoring the Book of Allah? Of course this is narrow mindedness. Allah reveals in the Qur’an again and again: Ponder upon this Qur’an."

    A small kid reading the Quran will not be equipped with the many necessary sciences to determine rulings. Even laymen adults like you and I cannot do this. There is no room ijtihaad or personal opinion because this has already been established by scholars for over 1000 years of revision and re-revision of rulings BASED ON QURAN AND SUNNAH, so stop ignorantly trying to imply that they are ignoring the Book of Allah. Do you know what Allah also revealed?

    "...if ye realise this not, ask of those who possess the Message." (16:43).

    brotherrMunib says:
    "Regarding Surah Nisaa verse 25, you have given the words like “lewdness”, “immorality” etc for “bifahishatin” in your reply. But you forgot and the scholars forgot. The same scholars when speak of adultery in their answers put forward this verse of Surah 17, Al Israa:

    “Wala taqraboo alzzinainnahu kana fahishatan wasaa sabeelan”
    And come not near unto adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and an evil way.

    Why do they use “fahishatan” for adultery here? Why not use lighter words like in your reply? Answer me brother. You will know that in the whole of Qur’an “fahishah” is used for referring to illegal sexual activities."

    What objective reason is there as to why scholars should not refer 4:25 to unmarried fornication? Scholars take the Quran IN CONTEXT with the ahadith to derive rulings, and if you studied Usul Al-fiqh, you would seen this.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "If it is just lewdness for sake for argument, what is the punishment for lewd behavior in Islam? Answer me. And then what is half the punishment of lewd behavior? Answer me brother."

    If they (slaves and captives) are unmarried and commit adultery, the punishment is 50 lashes. If they are married, then half of the punishment that free women get is what they get (50 lashes). This is how our scholars understood the verse after proper education (unlike you).

    brotherrMunib says:
    "Please first get to prove how correct the hadiths related to stoning are. First clear the contradictions in them. Becase your reply's 2/3rd part is based on these hadiths. All scholars you mentioned have accepted these hadiths as ultimate truth and have given views to which I would only reply once you make clear the truth of the points I mentioned above."

    Notice how he contradicted himself. He want us to prove how correct the hadiths relating to stoning are, but then says: "All scholars you mentioned have accepted these hadiths as ultimate truth." Now, if we want to prove the authenticity of the hadiths, we refer to the scholars, and they referred to previous scholars. So, there is no need to prove their authenticity, as this has already been done and you yourself implied scholars accept them.

    brotherrMunib says:
    "I am sure in 60 or 600 ways they cannot be reconciled and you know why? Because they have attributed lies to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and to Umar ( may Allah be pleased with him) and the Sahabas (may Allah be pleased with them)."

    You are BEGGING THE QUESTION that the related hadiths in question are fabricated, and have committed the appeal to ignorance fallacy. You yourself wanted us to see what scholars say, but now when it comes to as to whether or not the related hadiths are fabricated or not, you blindly follow your own opinion, yet you accuse us for blindly following OVER A MILLENNIUM OF SCHOLARLY ENDEAVOUR. Plus, you also do blind following on your own interpretation of Islamic literature, and what YOU THINK the text means. Why these double standards?

    Also, you appear to reject hadiths if one appears to contradict another. This is nonsense to do, because first of all, you must study ALL hadiths in our entire hadith literature surrounding the topic at hand. A hadith which appears to contradict another could (in light of other variant transmissions) not contradict it. Also, there is also abrogation in our hadiths regarding fiqh issues, so one might find narrations from the Prophet saying to only do x, and another hadith saying not to do x but rather, do y. After looking at ALL the evidence (which a layman cannot do), scholars conclude that this (i.e. ruling z) is a case of abrogation in hadiths.

    Where are the facts, evidences, scholarly fatwas, etc saying that the narrations I assumed you refered to (stoning) are fabricated? Have you studied each and every narrator in all of the chains? Have you read what previous scholars said about them and the criteria as to when to accept certain narrators? Have you studied the text of ALL hadiths (which you probably don't even have access to) surrounding stoning? Evidently, you have not. You'd rather blindly follow your own opinion. When you don't have enough knowledge on a subject, don't quickly rush to a conclusion. Rather, say: "I do not know." It will not harm you.

    Regarding what you said:
    "...do not blindly believe what the scholars say, else consequences may be grave."

    So, if by this you mean we cannot do any blind belief, that means you must reject all our ahadith, because all our hadith have narrators which hadiths scholars have never met. They are blindly believing what earlier muhadiths said about the narrators, yet at times, they haven't met them (to see as to whether or not they're really reliable) nor have they met the earlier muhadiths.

    Also, don't try and give a reply to this based on your preconceived thoughts when you haven't even studied fiqh and the various sciences. If you want, learn all the Islamic sciences, study for 20+ years, become a mujtahid mutlaq scholar, and then make ijtihad on your self. But when your a layman who doesn't even provide rebuttals by other scholars responding to scholars, do not think that you are right.

    Ma' Salama.

  26. To me, I think she's making this up....unless she wouldn't be using your culture in preference.

    • I don't understand your comment. Who is making what up? And you are you addressing your comment to when you say "your culture"?

      Wael
      IslamicAnswers.com Editor

  27. asalamaulikum sis

    I'm a Australian convert to Islam and my husband is a Arab Born Muslim, in no way is this a " cultural thing" while Eastern men show affection towards children, it's always in a loving way not sexual. This is really wrong what he is doing, and frankly against the teaching of Islam.

    24:30 Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty/private parts (except to their wives): that will make for greater purity for them: And Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

    My husband wont even get undressed in front of our 1 year old. Please report this, for protection of your daughter.In no way is this Islamic, this is a sick person.. and all child abusers make excuses and lies about what they do is "normal"

    Inshallah ( god willing) your daughter is not suffering at his hands.

  28. Hello, thank you to all who helped me. I have since left that man. I have contacted the police and other authorities. My daughter is in therapy right now. I have filed for divorce and have found out many bad things about him. He is an evil man to have done the things my 2 year old daughter is telling me he has done. Suffice to say that when she tells her therapist all he has done he will go to jail. He also is trying to get sole custody of her. Not going to happen. He deserves all that will happen to him while in jail. Thank you all.

  29. Sister Dakota.

    I'm so sorry that you and your baby had to endure this mans inexcusable behaviour & incest.
    On behalf of all muslims I aplogize that instead of being a good God fearing husband and father and example of what Islam really is, he sullied a religion that would no way tolerate his abhorrent behavior.
    He is a not muslim nor a man and most certanly not fit to be a father. Im glad you have fled with your baby.
    Console her and yourself too. Know that Allah is all knowing and will judge his accordingly.
    Beware if the law lets you down, or doesnt offer enough distance between your child and him. In this case Never trust him with alone with her and take protective measures like first of all teaching your daughter what is not healthy touching, tell her even father is not allowed to touch in a bad way.
    If he manages to get visitation make sure it is ONLY in public places make sure you have that down on record as your request and get your coucellor to also request it, because if the law doesnt prevail in your daughter favor you may have to gather the best of what you can for the benefit of your daughters safety knowing at the end of the day it is YOU who is the only person she can count on to protect her.
    I hope he isnt allowed any visitation until she is old enough to protect herself.

    Even if you are alone, know that Allah is with you. You are raising a Muslim child I hope that you will be the awesome woman & mother that you have come across as and continue to maintain the faith and religion of her birthright regardless of how sorry an excuse her father is.

    Lastly I want you to know that it is daunting to be a single parent. Allah will help you I have no doubts, but from what I have read between the lines you arent just hurting because of what he did to his baby but also how he betrayed you and showed up with another woman. And you are hurting understandably after all you loved him.
    This guy is dangerous and I want to warn you, you need to accept that he is dangerous not just for the baby but for you too. His behavior with you is imbalanced and these people are the worst kind they masquerade amongst people and with Machiavellian ease and with their pathological skills they weave lies to manipulate people like you.
    Why am I telling you this? Because If the law does work in favor of protecting your baby from her molesting father then becareful that he may utilize his skills towards the only way out for him, which is through begulling you and getting you to back off and he will use all the tricks in the book by paving a way back into your heart and making you doubt what you saw and know happened to your baby by pretending that he loves you, (the dead giveaway was bringing the woman to make you jealous and to show the law that hes not a pevert) if his strategy changes and he begins to get apologetic what he is really doing is paving a way out of his predicament. Always remember how he behaved infront of his own daughter and imagine what made her scream when she was alone with him, no matter how elaborate his his self preseravorty antics are.

    May Allah protect your baby from all harm and bless you for continuing a job well done.

  30. i am absolutely flabbergasted by what you are saying.

    with all due respect, i would just like to ask you what made you stand there and watch this man whilst he pulled out his dirty genitals infromt og your daughter???

    why allow her to see it?

    how could you fall for him saying its cultural?

    your intrinsic morals should have told you that it is not right for your man to get naked infromt of your daughter, nor commit sexual acts with her, and any culture which allows this is sick.

    a man is not allowed to get naked infront of his daughter, EVEN if she's a little toddler, simply because it goes against the hayaa [modesty, shyness]

    your daughter does not allow you to clean her genitals after they have been alone?????
    this is a symptom of sexual abuse, molesation, and if may leave her phsycologically scarred for a long time, may Allaah guide her and you and heel you from him, and replace for you a better muslim husband.

  31. sahih bukhari is the most authentic book of islam, i realy love to read it, You can also read that for good and authentic answer

    Jazak Allah,

    • Awara,

      I deleted your previous comment for obvious reasons.

      InshaAllah you will express yourself in a more eloquent and dignified manner in future.

      SisterZ
      IslamicAnswers.com Editor

  32. Im sorry sister
    But playing with private parts in front of your children n that 2 a girl is not allowed in islam

    in islam when a boy reaches n age of 7 it is advice that he should sleep seperatly from his mother n sister

    This guy is not a muslim , just by name , its better u leave this pervert before hes does anything sexual 2 ur daughter

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